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Old 12-13-2018, 02:33 PM
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The top 50 pitchers in the history of baseball all had winning records and I know a lot of them played on bad teams. The best pitchers find a way to win. To say pitching wins don't matter is ludicrous and overstating the case.
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The top 50 pitchers in the history of baseball all had winning records and I know a lot of them played on bad teams. The best pitchers find a way to win. To say pitching wins don't matter is ludicrous and overstating the case.
Well, as Degrom learned last year it's awfully hard to "find ways to win games" when your team doesn't score runs and your bullpen is shit.
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Old 12-13-2018, 03:08 PM
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Well, as Degrom learned last year it's awfully hard to "find ways to win games" when your team doesn't score runs and your bullpen is shit.
His career winning percentage is .573.
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Personally I agree that wins are not a fair way to measure a pitcher, but I wonder how many pitchers would say wins don't matter.
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Old 12-13-2018, 03:43 PM
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Personally I agree that wins are not a fair way to measure a pitcher, but I wonder how many pitchers would say wins don't matter.
Not one pitcher would
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Scott Russell,

Technically you CAN score a run after making an out - you can reach First Base on a passed ball/wild pitch third strike...

No, that doesn't happen very often but it does happen.

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was waiting for someone to bring up fielder's choice. Overall point is it takes skill to reach base (fluke notwithstanding)
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I think in today's environment Quality Starts is a better pitching measurement than Wins. It all but eliminates offensive production of the pitcher's teammates.
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The top 50 pitchers in the history of baseball all had winning records and I know a lot of them played on bad teams. The best pitchers find a way to win. To say pitching wins don't matter is ludicrous and overstating the case.
Yes and lots of mediocre pitchers also have winning records. The number 4 pitcher on a great team is not better than the ace on a lousy team.
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Yes and lots of mediocre pitchers also have winning records. The number 4 pitcher on a great team is not better than the ace on a lousy team.
That depends on the team.
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