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Old 10-24-2017, 02:51 PM
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I am looking to add a babe ruth autograph to my collection at some point. I am nervous because of secretarial signatures being mistaken as the real deal. Do any of you know how to spot the difference between an authentic and secretarial or forged?

Ill post a couple photos and maybe you can give your opinions on if they might be real or fake.

each photo is a different item. One has a coa from EAC Gallery and one has a LOA from Frank Garo. I dont wanna say which ones have the "authentication" because in a way thats irrelevant.

So, thoughts on the photos? Advice on how to tell whats real and whats not?
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Old 10-24-2017, 03:22 PM
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The two cuts are forgeries. Bad forgeries. The last two baseballs are good. The first ball is so worn that it's really impossible to tell. (But I have never seen a forgery so worn.)
And, finally, Ruth's "secretarials" are well known, and never mistaken for genuine by the experienced. It's the forgeries you should worry about.
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Old 10-24-2017, 03:46 PM
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David, can you maybe explain why they are bad forgeries? What should I look for to help tell the difference between whats real and whats not?
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Old 10-24-2017, 03:57 PM
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The first cut looks like it took an hour to write. It's written so deliberately and slowly. That would tip me off right away.

No comment on the second one.
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Old 10-24-2017, 04:33 PM
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Very amateurish forgeries on the cuts.
Mr Garo and I usually have differing opinions.
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Old 10-24-2017, 04:40 PM
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Does Garo have a bad rep?

Nevermind in this-I found a good thread here all about him.

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Old 10-24-2017, 04:48 PM
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Ok, so on the baseballs in the photos, one of them has the LOA from Garo.
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Old 10-25-2017, 08:05 AM
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First baseball is 100% not good.

Both cuts are horrible.

I have serious doubts about the green? signed Ruth.

Would need to see the last one a little closer.
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Old 10-25-2017, 08:07 AM
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Although it's entirely possible that the green ball WAS authentic and was subsequently traced over at some point later on... It's just a very, very, very atypical color (blue-green) for a Ruth signed ball. In addition it is also very bold for a 90 year old ball. I can see that Gehrig has signed a side panel. Would love to see a pic of that signature as well.

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Old 10-25-2017, 09:55 AM
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IMHO the green Ruth is fine. (And part of the reason it is bold is that the ball has been coated.)
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