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Old 09-05-2018, 01:38 PM
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I don't collect this stuff and the person who knows the least about these has probably forgotten more than I'll ever know, but doesn't logic come into play here? If you were going to fake a piece, wouldn't you at least try to get close to the real thing? Given that they aren't even close, is it possible that they could be real? What would be the point in faking something and not even trying to come close to the real thing?
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Old 09-05-2018, 03:00 PM
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I don't collect this stuff and the person who knows the least about these has probably forgotten more than I'll ever know, but doesn't logic come into play here? If you were going to fake a piece, wouldn't you at least try to get close to the real thing? Given that they aren't even close, is it possible that they could be real? What would be the point in faking something and not even trying to come close to the real thing?
The point in making, or "faking" something somewhat different from an original is just that... it's somewhat different. Hence, it's much harder to determine authenticity when there's nothing to compare it to.
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Old 09-05-2018, 03:21 PM
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The point in making, or "faking" something somewhat different from an original is just that... it's somewhat different. Hence, it's much harder to determine authenticity when there's nothing to compare it to.
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Old 09-05-2018, 03:51 PM
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As referenced above, the first test administered should be the blacklight test. Very simple to do, and will easily determine whether it is vintage. The cardboard will "fluoresce" (light up) if it's a modern reproduction piece.

After this is done, we can have a far more intelligent conversation as to it's actual age/original purpose/etc. Please let us know how it turns out, as the majority here tend to be skeptical (typically with good reason). My initial belief was that the Hassan piece is an obvious reproduction, while the DiMaggio/Williams piece might just be a different version of the Heritage Poster. Of course if they came from the same consignor, it would certainly cast more doubt.

Would love to be wrong, and eager to see what the blacklight test reveals... Thanks!

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Old 09-05-2018, 05:42 PM
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As referenced above, the first test administered should be the blacklight test. Very simple to do, and will easily determine whether it is vintage. The cardboard will "fluoresce" (light up) if it's a modern reproduction piece.
hopefully a black light unrelated to pwcc will be used
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Old 09-05-2018, 05:55 PM
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I concur as to the black light test being essential. AHs should include one for every major piece like this being sold.
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Old 09-05-2018, 07:28 PM
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I suspect that the next sound you hear will be...crickets.
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Old 09-05-2018, 11:32 PM
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I did enjoy how he referenced PSA in defense of authenticity. I mean, they never knowing gave a fraudulent grade to any major historical piece of sports memorabilia...
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I did enjoy how he referenced PSA in defense of authenticity. I mean, they never knowing gave a fraudulent grade to any major historical piece of sports memorabilia...
What's wrong with referencing PSA? PSA, JSA and SGC are pretty much it as far as authenticating things. Our hobby has built them into icons, so how can you knock an ebay seller for referencing them? We have members who won't have an autograph in their collection unless it has PSA or JSA associated with it.

All the giants have fallen at some point. We have a person here in this thread casting stones, who has vehemently supported an autograph 'expert' who has put his name on absolute crap. No authenticator has run the gauntlet unscathed. Doesn't make it right, but that's the nature of our hobby.
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Old 09-06-2018, 01:15 PM
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What's wrong with referencing PSA? PSA, JSA and SGC are pretty much it as far as authenticating things. Our hobby has built them into icons, so how can you knock an ebay seller for referencing them? We have members who won't have an autograph in their collection unless it has PSA or JSA associated with it.

All the giants have fallen at some point. We have a person here in this thread casting stones, who has vehemently supported an autograph 'expert' who has put his name on absolute crap. No authenticator has run the gauntlet unscathed. Doesn't make it right, but that's the nature of our hobby.
Like you're some kind of arbiter for all this! You think these pieces are good, do you? And if you're going to disparage people here, why not stop being chickenshit about it and name names?
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