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Old 09-06-2018, 02:34 PM
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Like you're some kind of arbiter for all this! You think these pieces are good, do you? And if you're going to disparage people here, why not stop being chickenshit about it and name names?
Hank, you're an idiot.
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Old 09-06-2018, 03:40 PM
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Hank, you're an idiot.
Well played.
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Old 09-06-2018, 03:58 PM
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What's wrong with referencing PSA? PSA, JSA and SGC are pretty much it as far as authenticating things. Our hobby has built them into icons, so how can you knock an ebay seller for referencing them? We have members who won't have an autograph in their collection unless it has PSA or JSA associated with it.

All the giants have fallen at some point. We have a person here in this thread casting stones, who has vehemently supported an autograph 'expert' who has put his name on absolute crap. No authenticator has run the gauntlet unscathed. Doesn't make it right, but that's the nature of our hobby.
I think the point was... it is not authenticated by psa so to just throw it in there without a name was just smoke. At least that’s how i took it.
Perhaps I’ll be an arbitrator for once... Hank is a great guy Scott. He is certainly no idiot. You’re better than calling him names.
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Old 09-06-2018, 04:18 PM
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It feels a bit weak to me that the seller does not disclose who the 4 collector/investors are who examined the piece. Assuming these are respected names it would only add credibility to the piece unless of course the seller has showed this piece to 15 collector/investors and only 4 thought it was good.

"...we have indeed shown this item to four different people unrelated to PWCC, all of whom educated collector/investors, and one of whom I do consider a memorabilia expert (as does PSA/DNA)."

Not sure how many other ad pieces the seller has listed but if these are the only two and they are both appearing to be reproductions it is probably best to stay away.
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Old 09-06-2018, 06:03 PM
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Hank, you're an idiot.
Thanks for making my point.
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Old 09-06-2018, 08:10 PM
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Brent thanks for your reply but I'm thinking just ignoring my original post and acting like you never saw it would have probably served you better.

You could more or less quite most of the skeptical ones here by posting at the very least the results of a simple blacklight test.

Your silence is saying more than you ever could and completely ignoring the second item I mentioned is saying even more.

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Old 09-07-2018, 12:11 PM
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The Hassan display was made by Helmar in 2009/2010. At the time they sold for $150/200. Helmar made 40 or so

http://www.net54baseball.com/archive...?t-121734.html
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Old 09-07-2018, 12:27 PM
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Thanks to the board! It looks like there's been some good detective work and this is exactly why the message boards are valuable to us.

I'm admittedly humbled by my incorrectness on this topic. The aging on this piece is convincing. I and others have been fooled to say the least; not the first time.

The auction has been ended.

P.S. we rarely post on the boards in an effort to allow the communication to flow freely without pressure from larger companies. So no offense to those members who felt ignored. Not personal. Even now I would have not thought to re-post had a member not emailed me directly to make me aware of the Helmar production (thank you to that member for reaching out).
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Old 09-07-2018, 12:37 PM
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Interesting, Jim. The piece auctioned by PWCC and the piece from this prior thread have the exact same dimensions, too.

PWCC showed this piece to several people at the National to determine authenticity. I might suggest that the next time something "different" like this show up, they simply ask for an opinion here. While not everyone here is an "expert", enough eyes would see the thread and an accurate assessment can usually be made in a few days.

edit: just saw Brent's response. Good result in the end.

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Old 09-07-2018, 01:05 PM
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Thanks to the board! It looks like there's been some good detective work and this is exactly why the message boards are valuable to us.

I'm admittedly humbled by my incorrectness on this topic. The aging on this piece is convincing. I and others have been fooled to say the least; not the first time.

The auction has been ended.

P.S. we rarely post on the boards in an effort to allow the communication to flow freely without pressure from larger companies. So no offense to those members who felt ignored. Not personal. Even now I would have not thought to re-post had a member not emailed me directly to make me aware of the Helmar production (thank you to that member for reaching out).
Right call to have ended it. It happens. Might want to skip getting the opinions of those four collector/investors in the future. What I have learned in short time here, though I have lurked well before I joined, is there are some very astute collectors on this board. Many times posts here have saved me money, time and embarrassment, for which I am grateful.
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