Babe Ruth mitt from youth in Goldins Next Auction

[sbfinley]

I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but to me the glove offered looks more like that pictured in the Ruth photos (particularly the 62 topps) than the example provided as a true era catchers mitt. Just because it isn't a catchers mitt doesn't mean it wasn't used by an orphan at an industrial school near the turn of the century. He wasn't exactly playing at the IMG academy. Also, the "dimple" someone alluded to as not being evident can actually be seen (IMO) in the auction photos. As an aside, someone mentioned the lengths that an auction house will go to prove a story or item for their own good. In my experience, the sentiment is just as strong on the other side of the fence as there are some who will move heaven and earth to discredit an auction house or authenticator just because of their distrust for the particular system. I don't collect this particular memorabilia and I'm definitely not an expert, but it's plausible as authentic. Just my two cents.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

I'm definitely not an expert, but it's plausible as authentic. Just my two cents.

I entirely disagree. It is very, very, improbable that the glove Ruth used as a boy still exists. It is an extraordinary claim that it does, and that this is it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I see none here.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have no idea about the authenticity of this item -- just skepticism about memorabilia in general -- but these big ticket memorabilia items always make me think of the great Wallace Stevens line: "And what we said of it/became a part of what it is."

[perezfan]

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[WindyCityGameUsed]

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[dhernandez]

I'm NOT a big fan of this auction house by any means. But in all honesty they have held 2 stellar Babe Ruth Auctions with amazing historical items. So it is very possible that this AH has connections to Ruth's stuff that others don't. Something of this vintage and age you would have to place some merit on provenance. Lets face it NO photomatch of an item this old is going to be produced and provenance is as good as it will get. Putting this item aside this auction does also offer an amazing Christy Mathewson bat.

[yanks12025]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

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This thread keeps shrinking. Another one I had not noticed before. I don't think I've seen anything like this.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by dhernandez

I'm NOT a big fan of this auction house by any means. But in all honesty they have held 2 stellar Babe Ruth Auctions with amazing historical items. So it is very possible that this AH has connections to Ruth's stuff that others don't. Something of this vintage and age you would have to place some merit on provenance. Lets face it NO photomatch of an item this old is going to be produced and provenance is as good as it will get. Putting this item aside this auction does also offer an amazing Christy Mathewson bat.

Two 180s in one thread. (see post 13) What gives?

Correction, three, Perezfan also deleted his post.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Two 180s in one thread. (see post 13) What gives?

Correction, three, Perezfan also deleted his post.

I think there are 4 people who deleted posts not to mention one person who as recent as a week ago has been on a mission to attack the auction house in question at every chance but on this thread he actually promoted the sale and gave props to the house. Could be that someone's lawyer drafted a letter or email.

I love the silence afterwards. No hesitation sharing their opinions publicly about why they felt the mitt did not id but unwilling to share the basis for retracting the original opinion. That has to be kept quiet. LOL.

[Leon]

I wonder how many lawsuits were threatened?

Originally Posted by botn

I think there are 4 people who deleted posts not to mention one person who as recent as a week ago has been on a mission to attack the auction house in question at every chance but on this thread he actually promoted the sale and gave props to the house. Could be that someone's lawyer drafted a letter or email.

I love the silence afterwards. No hesitation sharing their opinions publicly about why they felt the mitt did not id but unwilling to share the basis for retracting the original opinion. That has to be kept quiet. LOL.

[slidekellyslide]

I look forward to this convincing evidence being added to the auction description.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

I wonder how many lawsuits were threatened?

exactamundo!

[bcornell]

[REMOVED] This forum is done.

[WindyCityGameUsed]

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[mickeymao34]

Zastrow... hmmmmmm I wonder if that any relation to Justin Zastrow the infamous Milwaukie Bucks ballboy who happen to write infinite number of LOA's for NBA GU jerseys. Family DNA?

[dhernandez]

Originally Posted by WindyCityGameUsed

David

I just looked and couldn't find that Mathewson bat anymore in the Goldin auction or any explanation as to what happened?

And that wasn't just any bat according to the advertisement is was:

"used during the most impressive World Series pitching performance in the game's history and signed and dated by John McGraw is, well, dare we say unprecedented! Not only is this the only game used Christy Mathewson bat in existence, we believe it is the earliest World Series game used bat and represents the very first World Championship in the history of professional New York sports".

"A full board of comprehensive documentation from the hobby's leading experts completes this Hall of Fame-worthy Christy Mathewson World Series game used bat. Game used experts MEARS have thoroughly examined this incredible artifact and have given it their highest grade of A10 (314257). Likewise PSA/DNA have examined the bat and awarded it their highest mark of GU10 (1B01858) and the signatures have a certificate of authenticity from JSA (X56499) and PSA/DNA (U04226). A notarized letter from collector Terrence R. Zastrow documents the provenance of this historic piece of baseball history.
Due to its unique position as 1) the ONLY game used Mathewson bat in existence, 2) One of the very few game used or worn items that exists from Mathewson's career, 3) The oldest certified game used item that was used in a World Series, 4) The earliest known team signed bat (By World Series Champions!), 5) The city of New York's first major professional championship in ANY SPORT, We feel this bat represents the single most important game used bat ever offered for public sale".

That was sum bat David I wonder what happened?

Google Terrence R. Zastrow and see what interesting things you find.......

Ron, you apparently have a beef with the Ken. Since you quoted me you can see for yourself that I'm not a big Ken booster myself but in all fairness I give him credit for some great items. I don't know why bat was pulled but even in your post it has a iron clad Mears A10 grade. You can rip on me all you want but I don't let personal feelings toward a person or company downgrade everything they offer. This is obviously a historical amazing piece. I'm not looking for an argument just stating what this auction house has to offer and many of it are great items.

[David Atkatz]

Let's get back to the title item of this thread.

Anyone believe for a second that a young George H. Ruth ever stuck his big mitt into that mitt?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Let's get back to the title item of this thread.

Anyone believe for a second that a young George H. Ruth ever stuck his big mitt in that mitt?

Well, apparently Mr. Murphy was shown powerful evidence that he did, but he refuses to share it.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by WindyCityGameUsed

EXCELLENT POST!!!!

My Point Exactly Spot On

IMO from what I have seen in the hobby over the years is that memorabilia in general doesn't have to be AUTHENTIC/GAME USED anymore, memorabilia only needs to meet the unwritten industry standard of being plausible authentic to cover sellers backsides from retrobution.

If your going to spend hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands don’t you think items being sold should meet a standard of more than just being plausible???

Considering I based my "plausible" opinion from reading an article on a phone at a 5 year old's birthday party, yeah plausible should be enough of a standard for this item.

[btcarfagno]

Not to pile on or anything, but lot #68 was not worn by Ted Williams. This piece originated from the Halper collection (bad start). Research that I did proves that Wliams did not wear uniform #9 during this series. Whether Williams thinks he did or not is irrelevant. He didn't. This is someone else's uniform.

Tom C

[jsage]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Not to pile on or anything, but lot #68 was not worn by Ted Williams. This piece originated from the Halper collection (bad start). Research that I did proves that Wliams did not wear uniform #9 during this series. Whether Williams thinks he did or not is irrelevant. He didn't. This is someone else's uniform.

Tom C

What uniform # did Ted Williams wear in the series?
Jerry Sage

[Shoeless Moe]

Did anyone see the mention the Piazza 9/11 jersey got on the Sports Reporters on ESPN today?

They couldn't believe the Mets sold it.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by jsage

What uniform # did Ted Williams wear in the series?
Jerry Sage

He wore #23. Stan Musial wore #14.

Tom C

[ooo-ribay]

Well, Barry Bonds is the all time HR leader, anyway.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

He wore #23. Stan Musial wore #14.

Tom C

I know this is true for the 45' series, but what about 43' (not sure if they played one in 44'). If I remember correctly #9 in the 45' series was attributed to a college player (Oregon State maybe). I'm not defending the jersey, just questioning.