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Old 08-26-2017, 11:35 AM
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Would love to hear more from the experts regarding the comments about photos on mounts - is this considered a no-no for photos?

Can I assume it's better for a photo to be standalone and just on the photo paper, and not on a cardboard mount?

Thanks for edumacating me on the topic!
If the mount is original, the mounted photo should be worth more.
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:01 PM
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If the mount is original, the mounted photo should be worth more.
With all due respect, Not all photos on mounts are on original mounts number 1. Number 2, a later printed photo or even a non first gen can always be mounted later as well. To make an a broad statement like this is not true.
Example: Items can be mounted later on vintage mounts(take an old mount from player ding dong and replace it with player popular and Ch Ching!
If you are concerned about whether something will pass psa as part of your investment, for example , then I would not take this all encompassing advice.
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:12 PM
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I said original mount, as in the mount is original to the photo. And I was comparing the otherwise same photo, except mounted vs. unmounted.

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I said original mount, as in the mount is original to the photo. And I was comparing the otherwise same photo, except mounted vs. unmounted.
Ok. If one can determine the mount is original to the original photo than we agree!!!
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I think the Cert situation and main decision variable is the same for autos and cards. If you think the sale price increase will be higher than the cost to Cert, it makes sense to do it just before selling.

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I had this discussion with Christies and they said that many of these photos originally had PSA/DNA letters attached to them. However, Christies did not want to "advertise" or market these other third party grading companies and decided to run the auction without them. Did it cost money to the consignor ultimately? I think we can all agree on that it did but, Christies chose to do it a certain way and let the chips fall where they may.
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I had this discussion with Christies and they said that many of these photos originally had PSA/DNA letters attached to them. However, Christies did not want to "advertise" or market these other third party grading companies and decided to run the auction without them. Did it cost money to the consignor ultimately? I think we can all agree on that it did but, Christies chose to do it a certain way and let the chips fall where they may.
I noticed this with one of the items (not a picture) that I won. When I picked it up, it was from the Merkin collection, and had LOA's etc., which were not mentioned in the listing.

I was able to find when the listing had sold at Hake's so I had assumed the authentication was included going in...
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I had this discussion with Christies and they said that many of these photos originally had PSA/DNA letters attached to them. However, Christies did not want to "advertise" or market these other third party grading companies and decided to run the auction without them. Did it cost money to the consignor ultimately? I think we can all agree on that it did but, Christies chose to do it a certain way and let the chips fall where they may.
One would think there could have been wording used... something like guaranteed to pass third party certification or at least use the words Type 1 photo or type 2 etc. While I'm on my soapbox, I wonder who they had doing estimates? Josh Gibson estimate $600-$800, sold for $10,000 ; Matty and Smokey Joe Bain estimate $1000-$1500 sold for $10,600 etc....etc...
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-Bad estimates

-Bad photos (not being able to enlarge)

-Bad descriptions (not disclosing Type 1's or not, the Gehrig D&M, photos used for cards not mentioned, they didn't even mention Christy Mathewson in the Title of the 1917 Reds Team Photo, etc. etc)

-Bad marketing (never heard anything about it until the post here on NET54 just days before it, had that post not been there even greater prices would have been had)

-Reputation itself of being Christies thus high prices may have turned some away, then the auction itself yields the reverse, low prices on some

-Their moronic shipping charges may have turned some off (yet if you figured it into your bid you were fine, but the initial turnoff of being excessive kept some away I'm sure)

-Bob Freedman being on an airplane when the auction was ending, not getting his bids in always keeps the prices down : )

All combined equaled "some" good prices for the buyers.

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