Morris & Trammell Elected to HOF

[packs]

Please explain how Morris was the best pitcher of his time but only finished as high as 3rd in any one year's Cy Young voting.

[Gnep31]

Originally Posted by packs

Please explain how Morris was the best pitcher of his time but only finished as high as 3rd in any one year's Cy Young voting.

More wins than any other pitcher. I would rather have consistency over one good yr.

[packs]

Wins have become the new RBI though, a stat that is more team based than player based.

[Gnep31]

Originally Posted by packs

Wins have become the new RBI though, a stat that is more team based than player based.

Said no baseball player ever....

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Gnep31

Said no baseball player ever....

Right. Because the players are the keepers of baseball knowledge.

[sycks22]

Wins are the most overrated stat in baseball. Does anyone argue that Pedro and his 219 wins makes him a worse pitcher than Morris based on wins? In '68 Gibson had a 1.12 ERA and 9 losses.

[Gnep31]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Right. Because the players are the keepers of baseball knowledge.

This is the Baseball HOF and wins do matter to baseball players. This isn't the writers HOF or the Analytics HOF. Is a person a great baseball player or not?

When a starting pitcher does his job his team more than likely wins. Especially in the 80's when starters lasted more than 6 innings.

Of the hundreds of games I have started pitching in my lifetime, including college and current Federation league, I can probably count on one hand the number of losses I have taken that were not my fault. If I lose 1-0 then I shouldn't have given up that one run. Some people believe the team should have scored more, but that is not the mindset of a good starting pitcher or baseball players. All the analytics say it was a great start, but baseball players don't care....it wasn't a WIN.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Gnep31

This is the Baseball HOF and wins do matter to baseball players. This isn't the writers HOF or the Analytics HOF. Is a person a great baseball player or not?

When a starting pitcher does his job his team more than likely wins. Especially in the 80's when starters lasted more than 6 innings.

Of the hundreds of games I have started pitching in my lifetime, including college and current Federation league, I can probably count on one hand the number of losses I have taken that were not my fault. If I lose 1-0 then I shouldn't have given up that one run. Some people believe the team should have scored more, but that is not the mindset of a good starting pitcher or baseball players. All the analytics say it was a great start, but baseball players don't care....it wasn't a WIN.

Does that make a pitcher on a playoff team who wins 18 games with an ERA of 4.86 and WHIP of 1.44 a better pitcher than the guy who played for a 70 win team who went 11-13 with an ERA of 2.77 and a WHIP of 1.14?

Sounds like it does.