Nolan Ryan 7/30/90 300th win

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Gary Dunaier

How?

Once a ball is taken out of play it's dead.

The only "control" I can think of is when the umpire reaches into his pocket to put a new ball in play. And "control" is an extreme word in this context, because the ball is randomly chosen from all the baseballs in his pocket. It's not like he pulls a ball, decides he doesn't like it, pulls another ball and tosses that one to the pitcher, then puts the rejected ball back in his pocket.

(At the risk of undermining my own point, I suppose the umpire could "legitimately" not like a particular ball because he feels it's defective for some reason. But in that case, he'd toss the defective ball to the batboy, right?)

Hi Gary,
My point is that the HP umpire is the only umpire in the crew that holds onto balls prior to them being brought into play as well as removing them from play. The HP umpire does toss balls out that he feels are scuffed, damaged, etc. to the ball boy. Additionally, if additional balls need to come into the game during an inning of play, the ball boy brings more out to the HP umpire. The other three umpires do not actively participate in these activities.
I hope this helps clarify what I meant...

[certainteed52]

Gary I 100% agree! Your thinking is unbiased I think that is always good when talking about someone legitimacy.

[certainteed52]

On the Nolan Ryan 300th win baseball I took it out of the PSA holder wearing latex gloves the yellowing on the baseball has a tacky feel it this something that may have been used in a game, does anyone have any ideal what this could be?

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by certainteed52

On the Nolan Ryan 300th win baseball I took it out of the PSA holder wearing latex gloves the yellowing on the baseball has a tacky feel it this something that may have been used in a game, does anyone have any ideal what this could be?

The ball was probably used in a major league game, but NOT NECESSARILY Nolan Ryan's 300th win. In fact, I would say the odds are bad that it is from Nolan Ryan's 300th win.

Steve

[certainteed52]

Hi Steve I respect your opinion but what would make the odds bad this baseball came from one of Nolan Ryan best friends why would Nolan Ryan not speak up if it was not legitimate!

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by certainteed52

Hi Steve I respect your opinion but what would make the odds bad this baseball came from one of Nolan Ryan best friends why would Nolan Ryan not speak up if it was not legitimate!

Just read the previous posts.

Steve

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by certainteed52

Hi Steve I respect your opinion but what would make the odds bad this baseball came from one of Nolan Ryan best friends why would Nolan Ryan not speak up if it was not legitimate!

Nolan signed a ball for his friend, everything else probably happened after, so Nolan had no reason to "speak up".

There is reasonable doubt about the ball being from his 300th win game, and there is no way to prove that it is.

Doug

[certainteed52]

Hi Doug and Steve the big words here is PROBABLY and REASONABLE DOUBT no one has ever provided any proof to say it is not why is it so hard to say that Nolan Ryan could have gave his friend one of his 300th win game baseball.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by certainteed52

Hi Doug and Steve the big words here is PROBABLY and REASONABLE DOUBT no one has ever provided any proof to say it is not why is it so hard to say that Nolan Ryan could have gave his friend one of his 300th win game baseball.

Probably for the same reason you can't say this ball has an even better chance of passing through Al Clark's hands. None of us was there. How about you provide some proof that it is?

You, sir, are vested in this being a ball from Ryan's 300th win. And it quite possibly could be. But most of us are looking at it from a more scientific standpoint: prove it's RIGHT. And there are too many reasons to believe it's not.

Sorry.

[certainteed52]

For example,in criminal cases, the BURDEN OF PROVING the defendant's guilt is on the prosecution,and they must establish that fact beyond a reasonable doubt.