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Old 09-07-2005, 08:57 AM
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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I know that some of us hate trimmed cards while others love them for their bargain prices... so I would really be interested to see if we could get some serious answers to this question.

PLEASE answer this poll AS IF you had the financial ability to spend big money on baseball cards... and PLEASE ignore whatever cards you ALREADY own.

In other words, don't say "I woudn't pay $5 for that card because I already own it."

BUT... please be REASONABLE and do NOT say "I would spend $1,000,000 for that card because I am now filthy rich in my imagination."

PLEASE BE SERIOUS. Thanks.


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How much would you pay for:

1) A fairly nice VG-EX T206 Honus Wagner card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC-TRIMMED"??

2) A fairly nice VG-EX T206 Ty Cobb w/Ty Cobb back card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED" ???

3) A fairly nice VG-EX T206 Plank card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED" ???

4) A fairly nice VG-EX 1914 Babe Ruth Baltimore News card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED" ???

5) A fairly nice VG-EX 1893 "Just So" Cy Young card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED" ???

6) A fairly nice VG-EX 1903 E107 Breisch Williams Christy Mathewson card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED" ???

7) A very nice MINT 1914 Cracker Jack Christy Mathewson card that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED" ???

8) A very nice MINT 1949 Leaf Satchell Paige card that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED" ???

9) A very nice MINT 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle card that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED" ???



THANK YOU in advance for your serious input.

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Old 09-07-2005, 09:09 AM
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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Hopefully you guys can just "CUT AND PASTE" the questions from above and then post your answers with them, like so:

1) A fairly nice VG-EX T206 Honus Wagner card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC-TRIMMED"?? $25,000

2) A fairly nice VG-EX T206 Ty Cobb w/Ty Cobb back card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED"?? $5,000

3) A fairly nice VG-EX T206 Plank card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED"?? $5,000

4) A fairly nice VG-EX 1914 Babe Ruth Baltimore News card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED"? $50,000

5) A fairly nice VG-EX 1893 "Just So" Cy Young card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED"?? $75,000

6) A fairly nice VG-EX 1903 E107 Breisch Williams Christy Mathewson card with even wear that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED"?? $15,000

7) A very nice MINT 1914 Cracker Jack Christy Mathewson card that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED"?? $15,000

8) A very nice MINT 1949 Leaf Satchell Paige card that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED" ???
$10,000

9) A very nice MINT 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle card that was in an SGC holder that said: "AUTHENTIC - TRIMMED" ???
$5,000

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Old 09-07-2005, 09:27 AM
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Posted By: identify7

Hal: Not all of us keep abreast of current prices for each of your examples. Would it be acceptable to cite prices for Authentic/Trimmed as a percentage of the untrimmed pricing?

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Old 09-07-2005, 09:37 AM
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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Sure Gil... except that some of thse cards cited DO NOT EXIST very often in real life in the conditions stated.

In other words... if NOT TRIMMED... some of the cards mentioned would be close to PRICELESS.

They certainly would be so rare that we do not have very many historical examples to use a price references.

I have no idea what a MINT 1914 CJ Matty card would sell for if it was untrimmed. Same is true for a "Just So" Cy Young, etc.

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Old 09-07-2005, 09:38 AM
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

HAL

Speaking about $1,000,000 cards, the T206 Wagner that Gretzky
won in Sotheby's and then Gidwitz bought, and I forget who owns
it now, was always considered to be altered.

This card was floating around back in the Willow Grove Show days
and was identified most hobby veterans back then as being
trimmed.

So, my point is if this "famous" copy is questionable, what does
it matter anymore concerning any lesser card ?

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Old 09-07-2005, 09:40 AM
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Posted By: Jay Miller

Hal--Obviously, this is hypothetical since card appearance would be important but here are my rough guesses:

1-Wagner--$100K
2-Cobb/Cobb--$15K
3-Plank--$2K
4-Baltimore News Ruth--$75K
5-Young--$60K
6-E107 Matty--$25K
7-Paige--Nothing: Too modern to accept trimmed
8-Mantle--Nothing: Too modern to accept trimmed

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Ted:

OK, then you get to answer a special question:

How much would a PSA 9 T206 Honus Wagner sell for these days if EVERYONE agreed that it was NOT trimmed??

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Old 09-07-2005, 09:49 AM
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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

1) T206 Wagner 50K
2) Cobb/Cobb 50K
3) T206 Plank 5K
4) Ruth 35K
5) Young 33K
6) E107 Matty 8K
7) 1914 CJ Matty 15K
8) 48 Leaf Paige 3K
9) 52 Mantle 8K

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Old 09-07-2005, 10:20 AM
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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Jay:

I tend to agree with you on the "Too Modern" comments... but I tried to pick two cards that are pretty darn uncommon in very high grades.

For you, like Ted, I have a SPECIAL question:

How much would a NRMT Old Judge "Cap Anson in Uniform" card go for in an SGC holder that said "AUTHENTIC-TRIMMED"??

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Old 09-07-2005, 10:21 AM
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Posted By: identify7

To me it is simply a question of rarity.

I do not care that some cards are desireable because the player was popular or because the card fits into a set. If you can afford the t206 Plank and Wagner, for example, why collect the more common cards? Additionally, the backs of cards are only of interest if that is what you collect. But if you can afford the Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb, why bother with the other backs?

That is:

Popular players
Rare backs
Key set cards

Are cards which have interest to others.

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Im sorry, but it is my imaginery money which Hal so gratiously gave to me. And I am gonna buy what I want.

For the reasons shown above, I do not want 1), 2), 3), 8), 9).

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Unfortunately the 1914 CJ Mathewson is a member of a very attractive and popular set. On that basis, I have to reluctantly eliminate that card.

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I will gladly bid whatever is required for each example of 4), 5) and 6) which I can obtain. Duplicates do not bother me at all, since they are not duplicates, solely different examples of a very desireable (to me) card.

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I am sorry if my response did not fit your requirements Hal. But I couldn't bring myself to spend the imaginary money on just anything. So now Im back to collecting the crap which I also love.

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