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Old 03-29-2018, 08:41 AM
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Can anyone help me identify this authenticity hologram? Also included the pic it's supposed to be authenticating. I just can't find a company name. I'm not an expert, but the signatures look good, in my none expert opinion.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:08 AM
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With or without the hologram, these are two common fakes.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:14 AM
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With or without the hologram, these are two common fakes.
That's my concern, but best I can tell, they look good.

I'm no expert and haven't seen enough to have a better than average opinion.

Williams
I look at the angle of the bottom of the T
The connector from d to w
the ll
the closed d and a
the finish of the s

Those all seem to line up

On Mantle, it's always tougher for me to tell.

They don't appear to be bananas to me
the 6 like configuration for the k e y
the two e's seem like the way he does it
the sharp upstroke from M to i with the i slightly leaning to the right

That's about all I know to check

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Old 03-29-2018, 09:17 AM
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Well, itís

Genuine
Valid
Secure
Original
Authentic
and OK

I canít read the seventh adjective on the hologram though.

Just based on the hologram, my vote is fake as well.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:23 AM
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Well, it’s

Genuine
Valid
Secure
Original
Authentic
and OK

I can’t read the seventh adjective on the hologram though.

Just based on the hologram, my vote is fake as well.
Funny you say that, the hologram is the worst part! I agree completely. The last one is Q.C. Passed.

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Old 03-29-2018, 09:32 AM
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Looks like its from one of the companies in florida It is a real hologram

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Old 03-29-2018, 09:46 AM
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Looks like its from one of the companies in florida It is a real hologram
I 100% trust you, but can you help me learn by pointing out what I missed?

I didn’t buy it, knew to come here first. Is it just too clean, and those two together?

I’m curious what on my checklist of things to look for as far as the signatures go I am not seeing.

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Old 03-29-2018, 10:28 AM
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I 100% trust you, but can you help me learn by pointing out what I missed?

I didn’t buy it, knew to come here first. Is it just too clean, and those two together?

I’m curious what on my checklist of things to look for as far as the signatures go I am not seeing.
Teaching a particular autograph is not easy, but I think a process exists for 'learning' to validate any autograph;e.g-early 1950's Mantles or late-career Ruths or quickly-signed Gehrigs. You need to study, study, study, analyzing consciously what you learn after each 'lesson', then testing your memory every now and then. In each 'lesson' you learn something new and these learning points become part of your unconscious so that as you see examples of the autograph in question you are better able to unconsciously decide if it is good or not. If you can't decide quickly then it's probably a candidate for a new 'lesson';i.e-try to find similar examples, look at what's good and bad, decide if the autograph is good or bad, consciously consider what you have learned, letting your unconscious absorb the 'lesson'. You only become expert on that particular autograph over time, as the lessons sink in.

Trying to teach someone the above about a single autograph in one post is really impossible. For really bad ones you can point things out that make sense, but for others, like the above - they pass all your tests, but are obvious forgeries to experts like the guys above who responded to you. They didn't get this knowledge from someone in a single post.

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Old 03-29-2018, 12:44 PM
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Teaching a particular autograph is not easy, but I think a process exists for 'learning' to validate any autograph;e.g-early 1950's Mantles or late-career Ruths or quickly-signed Gehrigs. You need to study, study, study, analyzing consciously what you learn after each 'lesson', then testing your memory every now and then. In each 'lesson' you learn something new and these learning points become part of your unconscious so that as you see examples of the autograph in question you are better able to unconsciously decide if it is good or not. If you can't decide quickly then it's probably a candidate for a new 'lesson';i.e-try to find similar examples, look at what's good and bad, decide if the autograph is good or bad, consciously consider what you have learned, letting your unconscious absorb the 'lesson'. You only become expert on that particular autograph over time, as the lessons sink in.

Trying to teach someone the above about a single autograph in one post is really impossible. For really bad ones you can point things out that make sense, but for others, like the above - they pass all your tests, but are obvious forgeries to experts like the guys above who responded to you. They didn't get this knowledge from someone in a single post.
Of course they didnít. Iím not a simpleton. Was just hoping to learn something.
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Old 03-29-2018, 12:52 PM
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That is a Chris "I Never Saw An Autograph I Didn't Like" Morales hologram.

Those forgeries on that image have been mass-produced in the thousands.

Laughable crap.

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