NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-08-2016, 06:07 AM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default Graig Kreindler's Chief Bender painting - All Hail the Chief!

Graig Kreindler and I are in the midst of bringing this Chief Bender photo to life in the way only Graig can. We would like to nail down answers to these three questions and would appreciate any assistance you uniform, pin and photo guys can provide.

Bender-sweater-front-watermarked Net 54.jpg

1. When was the photo taken? We believe the 1911 World Series at Shibe Park.
2. What color was the sweater? We believe blue.
3. What is the significance of the ribbon that is tied around the button hole?
We have no clue, except that it helps date it.

As to 1. we believe it very likely it was taken during the 1911 World Series at Shibe Park. That is based on the uniform/cap style, the known Bender meets Meyers photo below from the 1911 World Series where Bender is wearing the same sweater with the same ribbon/string, and the sharp angular bend in stadium concourse behind Bender.

Bender Meyers LOC.jpg
chief_meyers_and_bender.jpg

As to 2. based on replicas that have been offered for sale and the fact that at that time the A's colors were blue, we believe the sweater was a darker shade of blue.

As to 3. we have no clue, hopefully one of you can shed some light.

Any help that can be provided would be greatly appreciated!

Last edited by T206Jim; 01-28-2018 at 10:58 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-08-2016, 07:03 AM
Bpm0014's Avatar
Bpm0014 Bpm0014 is offline
Brendan Mullen
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 2,847
Default

Is it just me or is the opening size of the elephant's mouth AND the opening size between his first 2 legs different?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-08-2016, 07:11 AM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default

It is just the difference in clarity between a type 1 and other type photos. Note the stitching line on both sweaters above the trunk.

Last edited by T206Jim; 09-08-2016 at 07:12 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-08-2016, 08:42 AM
edhans's Avatar
edhans edhans is offline
Ed Hans
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Buffalo, N.Y.
Posts: 1,222
Default Re: Please help identify details on this Bender photo for a Graig Kreindler painti

Those are clearly different sweaters.
__________________
Please visit my website at http://t206.monkberry.com/index.html
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-08-2016, 08:46 AM
bxb bxb is offline
Larry P.
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 255
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by edhans View Post
Those are clearly different sweaters.
Agreed. On one, the elephant's trunk points down. On the other, it points back to his body.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-08-2016, 09:32 AM
pherbener's Avatar
pherbener pherbener is offline
Paul Herbener
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Pa.
Posts: 1,005
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bxb View Post
Agreed. On one, the elephant's trunk points down. On the other, it points back to his body.
I think it points to his body on both. I think the ribbon is what's pointing down on the Meyers photo
__________________
https://www.flickr.com/photos/137748538@N02/albums Successful transactions with Sycks22, Vintageloz, jim, zachclose21, shamus, Chris Counts, YankeeFan Snapolit1 and many more.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-08-2016, 09:53 AM
sac_bunt sac_bunt is offline
Jeff C.
member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 89
Default Same sweater.

Quote:
Originally Posted by edhans View Post
Those are clearly different sweaters.
Disagree. The similarities between the 1st & 2nd photos are:

1. Placement of the buttons (specifically the two that are aligned with the elephant.
2. The stitching patterns on the left shoulder & the horizontal line above the truck.
3. The hole on the left arm in photo 1 is faintly visible in photo 2.


Ed - Can you advise why you think they are different?
__________________
Positive Transactions with Board Members:

trdcrdkid; michael peich; baseball*collectibles; hardspun8; iowadoc77; deafsports; rdixon1208; r0ck8ott0m; comiskey; lukelyon; t206collector; jcc; mybuddyinc; lharri3600; majordandy; brass_rat; obcbobd; cozumeleno; milkit1; joem36; jlehma13; thromdog; sean1125; zachs; jasonc; jollyroger; dougscats; vintageismygame; jmanos; t206blogcom; bn2cardz; btcarfagno; ionlysmoke4thecards; gradedcardman; mantleman + I think I’m forgetting a few people.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-08-2016, 10:14 AM
bxb bxb is offline
Larry P.
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 255
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pherbener View Post
I think it points to his body on both. I think the ribbon is what's pointing down on the Meyers photo
Yea, I think you're right. I stand corrected.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-08-2016, 10:41 AM
edhans's Avatar
edhans edhans is offline
Ed Hans
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Buffalo, N.Y.
Posts: 1,222
Default

They're different logos, at least. Look closely at the elephant's legs, tusks, mouth and tail and you'll see what I mean.
__________________
Please visit my website at http://t206.monkberry.com/index.html
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-08-2016, 10:56 AM
sac_bunt sac_bunt is offline
Jeff C.
member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 89
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by edhans View Post
They're different logos, at least. Look closely at the elephant's legs, tusks, mouth and tail and you'll see what I mean.

Ok thanks. IMO they are more similar then not.
__________________
Positive Transactions with Board Members:

trdcrdkid; michael peich; baseball*collectibles; hardspun8; iowadoc77; deafsports; rdixon1208; r0ck8ott0m; comiskey; lukelyon; t206collector; jcc; mybuddyinc; lharri3600; majordandy; brass_rat; obcbobd; cozumeleno; milkit1; joem36; jlehma13; thromdog; sean1125; zachs; jasonc; jollyroger; dougscats; vintageismygame; jmanos; t206blogcom; bn2cardz; btcarfagno; ionlysmoke4thecards; gradedcardman; mantleman + I think I’m forgetting a few people.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-08-2016, 11:16 AM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default

Thanks for the interest guys. I believe the sweaters are one and the same, but we can each draw our own conclusions.

Does anyone have any information on the questions I have asked? Other photos of Bender in a sweater, copies of mine with a firm date on back or from a dated newspaper? Any info on the ribbon? I believe that although the trim and cap stripes may have been black the sweaters were blue, any confirmation on this?

Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-08-2016, 12:00 PM
Kawika's Avatar
Kawika Kawika is offline
David McDonald
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: British Siberia
Posts: 2,728
Default

I took a look at the New York Times archives to see what I could learn. Unfortunately I didn't see anything that suggested why Bender was wearing a ribbon on his sweater or what the colors would have been. Only thing I found of interest was the usage of the same Bender image (cropped) in the October 25, 1911 edition which followed game four.

Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-08-2016, 02:57 PM
JollyElm's Avatar
JollyElm JollyElm is offline
D@rrΣn Hu.ghΣs
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 7,331
Default

I'm sure you did the same web search that everyone reading this thread is now doing. The only relevant image that appears is a Mitchell & Ness version of a very similar sweater (the elephant is positioned at a distinct angle that isn't consistent with your photo, etc.). Their sweater is dark blue. Perhaps you can find a way to contact them and ask how and why they determined the color of the 1911 sweater to be that shade of blue?
__________________
All the cool kids love my YouTube Channel:
Elm's Adventures in Cardboard Land

https://www.youtube.com/@TheJollyElm

Looking to trade? Here's my bucket:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152396...57685904801706

“I was such a dangerous hitter I even got intentional walks during batting practice.”
Casey Stengel

Spelling "Yastrzemski" correctly without needing to look it up since the 1980s.

Overpaying yesterday is simply underpaying tomorrow.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-08-2016, 03:31 PM
clydepepper's Avatar
clydepepper clydepepper is offline
Raymond 'Robbie' Culpepper
Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Columbus, GA
Posts: 6,928
Default

This is without a doubt the longest sweater discussion I've ever read, much less a sweater with an elephant on it.

At this point, should we call Guinness or call for a Guinness?
__________________
.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on others lives" - Jackie Robinson

“If you have a chance to make life better for others and fail to do so, you are wasting your time on this earth.”- Roberto Clemente

Last edited by clydepepper; 09-08-2016 at 03:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-08-2016, 04:56 PM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default

Darron, thanks for the note about the sweater color, I saw that and will follow up with reproduction company.

David, your post with the October 25, 1911 NYT coverage is very enlightening, perhaps even more so than you thought. Chief Bender did pitch and win Game 4 on October 24th in Shibe Park. The Bender cropped shot of my photo attributes it to American Press Association. Of particular relevance is the back of my Type 1 photo showing a period American Press Association stamp.

Bender-sweater-back-crop.jpg

Here is the enlarged cropped shot of Bender as well as the adjoining Game 4 action shot also attributed to American Press Association.

NYT-10-25-1911-Bender-crop.jpg NYT-10-25-1911---game-action.jpg

I checked the NYT for all "day after" recaps of each of the six World Series games. It was a similar format for each day and predominately displays day of game photos attributed to American Press Association.

At the very least we can say the Bender photo was taken no later than October 25, 1911. While it may have been a file photo, I believe there is a distinct possibility my photo was taken October 24th on the day he pitched and was contemporaneous with the other game action photos the American Press Association provided to the NYT for use.

A couple of great tips, keep them coming!

Last edited by T206Jim; 09-08-2016 at 04:59 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-08-2016, 05:40 PM
MuddyMules's Avatar
MuddyMules MuddyMules is offline
T.e.d. B.r.o.w.n.
member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: IN
Posts: 104
Default

I don't know if it will help, but I found this link that talks about the different sweaters. I didn't read it all and thought I would just post it for you.

www.uni-watch.com/2010/11/10/sweater-weather/

Also, I found the below image while searching, which actually took me to the above link. Here is a link to the photo: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/...d32aa131_o.jpg

And then there is this, which does show some colors, but not of your photo: http://origin-sp.global.ralphlauren....baseball.aspx?

Here's an artists rendition of the colors: http://fineartamerica.com/featured/1...e-dininno.html

And my guess on the ribbon tied to the button.......it is not a ribbon, but a frayed string tied to a pencil that he kept in the sweater, which is causing the line to appear in the sweater above the elephant.

Good luck in your quest.

Ted
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Sweater with Elephants.jpg (51.5 KB, 657 views)
__________________
Always looking for 1889 Indianapolis Hoosier N172 Old Judge cards and other 1889 Indianapolis Hoosier items.

Last edited by MuddyMules; 09-08-2016 at 06:27 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-08-2016, 06:30 PM
MuddyMules's Avatar
MuddyMules MuddyMules is offline
T.e.d. B.r.o.w.n.
member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: IN
Posts: 104
Default

Also, with the 1910 Championship being shown in blue, my guess is that it matched the colors of the sweaters and hat lines.

https://vintages-antiques-collectibl...-collectibles/
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 7dd5077411d366380867b0696d52a65c.jpg (43.2 KB, 648 views)
__________________
Always looking for 1889 Indianapolis Hoosier N172 Old Judge cards and other 1889 Indianapolis Hoosier items.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-08-2016, 07:48 PM
MVSNYC MVSNYC is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 3,517
Default

I had a little bit of time, and thought I'd try to help...

Found this colored drawing online...might help, as it seems like the artist had some prior knowledge of the color being Blue.

http://fineartamerica.com/featured/1...e-dininno.html

More info pointing towards Blue...

http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/lis...hia_Athletics/

http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/vie...ame-Worn_Photo

Scroll down, actual sweater on right in showcase (dark Blue?)

https://philadelphiatale.wordpress.c...ics-a-history/
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-08-2016, 10:09 PM
JustinD's Avatar
JustinD JustinD is offline
Ju$tin D@v3n.por+
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Birmingham, Mi
Posts: 2,613
Default

I think the dark blue is the most likely color based on the evidence.

Also, those are unquestionably the same sweater in all photos...unquestionably.

The ribbon does seem to be securing something in the sweater. As to what? No idea.
__________________
- Justin D.


Player collecting - Lance Parrish, Jim Davenport, John Norlander.

Successful B/S/T with - Highstep74, Northviewcats, pencil1974, T2069bk, tjenkins, wilkiebaby11, baez578, Bocabirdman, maddux31, Leon, Just-Collect, bigfish, quinnsryche...and a whole bunch more, I stopped keeping track, lol.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-08-2016, 11:20 PM
FourStrikes's Avatar
FourStrikes FourStrikes is offline
ThreadKiller
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 639
Default

Jim (T206Jim):

wish I could contribute something (anything?) technical-wise, but...my personal knowledge in those respects is historically - and severely - limited.

looking forward to seeing the photo "Kreindlerized" - the finished product I'm sure will be awesome, and the progressive updates, of course, are appreciated by many of us as well.


awesome photo - great choice.

DS
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 09-09-2016, 05:55 AM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default

Thanks for all the contributions, they are very helpful.

Here is a cropped version of a 1911 "Champions" bi-fold postcard which was likely taken just after the end of the 1911 A.L. season, based on a postmark of 10-24-11 which was before the World Series was over (discussed on another thread here). It appears he is wearing the same sweater but buttoned up and without the ribbon. Interesting to note here and in "coming onto the field" shot shown above how haphazard the elephant locations are on the sweaters.

AL-Champs-postcard.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 09-17-2016, 07:06 AM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default Challenge

An update on what I've learned.

I have confirmed that the sweaters were indeed a dark blue.

I have confirmed that the Bender/Meyers photo, with the same ribbon strand, was taken at the Polo Grounds before Game 3.

It is extremely likely my Bender photo is from Game 4 on October 24th at Shibe Park. I found multiple October 25th articles with the photo and can find no articles showing it prior to that time.

The only evidence I have found of what was attached to the ribbon is this blurry clipping showing some sort of white object tied with the ribbon at the top buttoned button of his sweater. This photo was possibly taken of him while he was coaching third base during Game 2.

Bender-with-ribbon-attached-to-white-object.jpg

Also, here is cropped closeup of ribbon.

Ribbon-closeup.jpg

So here is my challenge. I'll offer $50 to anyone who can find a photo showing or evidence describing what was attached to that ribbon. I'll also offer $50 to anyone who can provide me with a copy of my Bender photo dated or published before the start of the 1911 World Series or proof it was indeed taken on October 24th.

Thanks for the help.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 09-17-2016, 09:09 AM
Aquarian Sports Cards Aquarian Sports Cards is offline
Scott Russell
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,297
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sac_bunt View Post
Ok thanks. IMO they are more similar then not.
similar doesn't cut it they have to be identical. They are, to me, clearly not the same logo. The gap between the front legs is VERY different. The distance between the lower tusk and the jaw is VERY different. The length of the upper portion of the trunk is significantly different. You can't have the same sweater with ANY discrepancies let alone ones this large.
__________________
Check out https://www.thecollectorconnection.com Always looking for consignments 717.327.8915 We sell your less expensive pre-war cards individually instead of in bulk lots to make YOU the most money possible!

and Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecollectorconnectionauctions
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 09-17-2016, 06:58 PM
Bpm0014's Avatar
Bpm0014 Bpm0014 is offline
Brendan Mullen
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 2,847
Default

In Glory of Their Times there is a pic of Bender in this sweater if someone wants to scan it.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 09-17-2016, 09:49 PM
bmarlowe1's Avatar
bmarlowe1 bmarlowe1 is offline
Mark
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,431
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards View Post
similar doesn't cut it they have to be identical. They are, to me, clearly not the same logo. The gap between the front legs is VERY different. The distance between the lower tusk and the jaw is VERY different. The length of the upper portion of the trunk is significantly different. You can't have the same sweater with ANY discrepancies let alone ones this large.
Here is the explanation:
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 09-17-2016, 10:57 PM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default

Thanks for the insight Mark. You more clearly and definitively stated the point I attempted to make earlier about the difference being in the clarity of the photos. Would SABR happen to have any other photos from 1911 of Bender, or any other Athletic for that matter, in a sweater with a ribbon or anything else tied to a buttonhole?
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 09-17-2016, 11:24 PM
bmarlowe1's Avatar
bmarlowe1 bmarlowe1 is offline
Mark
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,431
Default

Jim - Not that I know of.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 09-18-2016, 05:42 AM
Aquarian Sports Cards Aquarian Sports Cards is offline
Scott Russell
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,297
Default

Very cool Mark, I LOVE learning things like this! Also didn't notice it before, but there is an obvious hole in his left sleeve (the right as we look at it) in the clearer photo. You can actually JUST make out the hole in the "bloomed" photo. If you look up from the speck of white on his sleeve and a little bit to the right there it is, in exactly the same spot relative to the shoulder seam.
__________________
Check out https://www.thecollectorconnection.com Always looking for consignments 717.327.8915 We sell your less expensive pre-war cards individually instead of in bulk lots to make YOU the most money possible!

and Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecollectorconnectionauctions
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 09-19-2016, 11:12 AM
TNP777's Avatar
TNP777 TNP777 is offline
Geordie Calvert
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 146
Default

Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but wouldn't the HoF be a good resource? Surely they at least have pictures (hopefully with descriptors) from that Series, and possibly even a uniform.
__________________
OBC (oldbaseball.com) member since 1996... looking for a low-budget T205 Irvin Wilhelm w/ "suffered"
Scans of my Brooklyn Dodger collection
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 09-19-2016, 08:25 PM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default

Ironically, I did hear back today from the HOF curators and although they were intrigued and did some digging they were not able to provide any answers about the ribbon.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 09-05-2017, 11:16 AM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default

Time for an update. Here is the framed Type 1 photo display that will ultimately accompany Graig's painting. The Bender shot is from the 1911 World Series and was taken by the American Press Association. The A's shot was taken by George Grantham Bain and is also from the 1911 World Series. I'll keep everyone updated as we near completion of the project.

Bender-photo-framed-APA-web.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 01-03-2018, 09:35 PM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default

It is sweater weather and mine is on its way!

Chief_Bender_1911_October_24.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 01-03-2018, 09:36 PM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default

Of course I am biased, but I think this is one of Graig's finer works!
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 01-03-2018, 09:40 PM
ramram's Avatar
ramram ramram is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,264
Default

Beautiful

RobM.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 01-03-2018, 09:59 PM
tjb1952tjb's Avatar
tjb1952tjb tjb1952tjb is offline
Tim
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Southern California
Posts: 707
Default

WOW............very nice!!
__________________
Tim
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 01-03-2018, 10:01 PM
chlankf chlankf is offline
Craig L.
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Des Moines metra area
Posts: 440
Default

Truely enjoying this thread. So much knowledge and scrutiny, quite educational. Thanks for sharing everyone.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 01-03-2018, 10:16 PM
baseball tourist's Avatar
baseball tourist baseball tourist is offline
Chris Wood
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC. Canada
Posts: 1,707
Default

Great painting and thread. I too believe the ribbon is a piece of string fastening a pencil to his sweater for use in recording coaching notes.
__________________
Looking for Toronto baseball items. Please contact me at chris@pacmedia.ca

Last edited by baseball tourist; 01-03-2018 at 10:16 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 01-04-2018, 05:34 AM
BruceinGa BruceinGa is offline
Bruce Fairchild
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Marietta, Ga
Posts: 753
Default

It was well worth the wait!!
__________________
Successful transactions with: Double-P-Enterprises, Thromdog, DavidBvintage, Desert Ice Sports, Kurtz Kardz, Cooperstown Sportscards, BBT206 and tenorvox!
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 01-04-2018, 06:48 AM
Jay Wolt's Avatar
Jay Wolt Jay Wolt is offline
qualitycards
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Gettysburg PA area
Posts: 2,924
Default

Damn! That's nice!
Graig is the best there is
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 01-04-2018, 06:55 AM
Leon's Avatar
Leon Leon is online now
Leon
peasant/forum owner
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: near Dallas
Posts: 34,198
Default

Beautiful painting.
__________________
Leon Luckey
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 01-04-2018, 06:55 AM
Bpm0014's Avatar
Bpm0014 Bpm0014 is offline
Brendan Mullen
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 2,847
Default

Unbelievable is not a strong enough word. Maybe one of his best paintings ever. I truly mean that.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 01-04-2018, 02:10 PM
perezfan's Avatar
perezfan perezfan is offline
M@RK ST€!NBERG
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,518
Default

Wow... you can just feel the texture of that thick wool sweater (fuzz and all!)

Perfectly executed, and one of Graig's best. A masterpiece!
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 01-04-2018, 08:36 PM
GKreindler's Avatar
GKreindler GKreindler is offline
Graig Kreindler
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 1,417
Default

Thank you so much for all of those kind words, everybody!! I'm thrilled that y'all dig what you've seen in the scan. I hope Jim loves it even more once it's in hand, which should be in a few days.
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 01-04-2018, 08:44 PM
pherbener's Avatar
pherbener pherbener is offline
Paul Herbener
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Pa.
Posts: 1,005
Default

Absolutely beautiful! Graig is the best out there!!
__________________
https://www.flickr.com/photos/137748538@N02/albums Successful transactions with Sycks22, Vintageloz, jim, zachclose21, shamus, Chris Counts, YankeeFan Snapolit1 and many more.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 01-04-2018, 09:28 PM
bmarlowe1's Avatar
bmarlowe1 bmarlowe1 is offline
Mark
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,431
Default

Nice - and the elephant is particularly well-done
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 01-04-2018, 09:33 PM
Rich Falvo Rich Falvo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: RI
Posts: 470
Default

Beautiful!
__________________
Looking for a T206 Jimmy Lavender Cycle back plus several American Beauty and Tolstoi backs for Providence players.

Successful sales transactions with jamorton215, gorditadogg, myerburg311, TAFKADixie, jimq16415, Thromdog, CardPadre
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 01-04-2018, 11:35 PM
HRBAKER's Avatar
HRBAKER HRBAKER is offline
Jeff
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 5,255
Default

WOW, what a beautiful piece!
Congrats!!!

This silk which is essentially contemporary to the photo seems to show that the sweaters were dark blue as painted.

__________________
Check out my aging Sell/Trade Album on my Profile page

HOF Type Collector + Philly A's, E/M/W cards, M101-6, Exhibits, Postcards, 30's Premiums & HOF Photos

"Assembling an unfocused collection for nearly 50 years."
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 01-06-2018, 12:15 PM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default

Thanks for posting that Jeff, Graig and I did a lot of research to get the color right.
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 01-06-2018, 01:27 PM
Yoda Yoda is offline
Joh.n Spen.cer
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,888
Default

Greg, the painting is wonderful; the colors, textures and, to me, the steely gaze of the Chief all blend together in a beautiul tapestry. I bet you have a buyer already.
As far as the ribbon is concerned, perhaps it is a condom, or perhaps a tribute
ribbon to Geronimo who was captured by the US Cavalry not that many years before.
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 01-28-2018, 09:41 AM
T206Jim's Avatar
T206Jim T206Jim is offline
J1m Ch@pman
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 847
Default

All hail the Chief! Kreindler and Bender!

The painting depicts 1911 and the frame dates to that era.

It is difficult to get a good shot that reflects the splendor that is apparent to the naked eye, but here a couple of photos.

Final Frame 1.jpg

Final-Frame-4-web.jpg
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Favorite Graig Kreindler Painting bnorth Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used 25 04-16-2016 07:18 PM
Shout Out To Graig Kreindler! Robert_Lifson Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 27 08-27-2014 07:31 AM
Shout Out To Graig Kreindler! Robert_Lifson Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used 5 08-26-2014 06:08 AM
Graig Kreindler Painting Raffle Thread Is Open thecatspajamas Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 0 05-04-2014 07:30 PM
Show me how you have your Graig Kreindler painting displayed Scott Garner Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used 79 07-11-2012 05:22 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:44 PM.


ebay GSB