Is this a wet sheet transfer?

[mrdbrooks77]

I have searched but am still confused on what makes it a wet sheet transfer vs an overprint? And am I using the terms correct? The back is a sweet cap 350. The sweet cap on the front seems printed first as it disappears behind the white but I really don't know.

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[nat]

I'm sure some of our experts will chime in here, but it sure looks like a wet-sheet transfer to me. That's what happens when you have a sheet of cardstock placed against a newly printed sheet that isn't dry yet. The 'C' from the Sweet Caporal is backwards, which is, I think, what you'd expect with wet sheet transfer.

[Sean]

By "overprint" I think that you are referring to a cylinder transfer, in which the previous image is not cleared from the cylinder, and ends up being printed, along with the intended image in some cases. Cylinder transfers are much darker than WSTs, as the image is actually printed, rather than having a bit of the color wear off and transfer. Here are a couple cylinder transfers:


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[sb1]

The red which is the most unstable of all colors, can also bleed just a bit when the cards are stacked in a damp or humid environment and leave a very faint trace of the red Sweet cap back on the fronts of the cards as well. Hard to say whether this is what caused yours or just a wet freshly printed back.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by sb1

The red which is the most unstable of all colors, can also bleed just a bit when the cards are stacked in a damp or humid environment and leave a very faint trace of the red Sweet cap back on the fronts of the cards as well. Hard to say whether this is what caused yours or just a wet freshly printed back.

This is actually mostly false.

While it may be possible to chemically cause a transfer, and some ink formulations Might transfer without any thing but pressure (Something I've never seen on a card but have seen on another item)
It's not possible with water or humidity.

For one thing the inks were oil based. That's a primary feature of how lithography works.

A few years ago I tried to force an offset transfer (The more proper name for a wet sheet transfer) I took a worn common, soaked it and the paper, and clamped it between boards in a vise for a couple days.
No transfer of any ink, although it did pick up an impression of the woodgrain.

[steve B]

The Hartsel is a puzzling card.

Usually a transfer of any sort is faint but complete. Unless it's from something putting localized pressure on the stack of sheets. Since the white areas are just the surfaced side of the cardstock showing through, it should be more obvious there. But there it's entirely missing.

All I can think of is that it was too dry to transfer, but the green still hadn't dried fully and was able to soften it.
I think that's possible, but a huge stretch into improbable.

I'll have to think a bit to come up with something better.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by steve B

This is actually mostly false.

While it may be possible to chemically cause a transfer, and some ink formulations Might transfer without any thing but pressure (Something I've never seen on a card but have seen on another item)
It's not possible with water or humidity.

For one thing the inks were oil based. That's a primary feature of how lithography works.

A few years ago I tried to force an offset transfer (The more proper name for a wet sheet transfer) I took a worn common, soaked it and the paper, and clamped it between boards in a vise for a couple days.
No transfer of any ink, although it did pick up an impression of the woodgrain.

Steve,
On more than one occasion we've seen a group of cards listed individually by the same seller where most of them have transfers on the front
also some of them have paper stuck on the front and some have paper loss on the back. I remember on at least one occasion it was a
seller/dealer that sells a lot of T206's on ebay. My thought was that they had been stored in a box or something that had got wet at some
point and dried out over a period of time and that was how the transfers occurred.

If what you say is true the only explanation I can think of is that they
were soaked in a chemical to separate them.

[mrdbrooks77]

Thanks for the replies. I guess I was wondering if it done before or after the front was printed or if we can even tell?

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[Bill77]

My Tolstoi Needham has a similar transfer on the front. I have also seen a few other Tolstoi's thatare similar to mine as well.

[Jantz]

mrdbrooks77

Your Hartsel is a wet sheet transfer (not an overprint) that occurred in-factory or during production.

I place ink transfers into two separate categories. Ones that occurred in-factory during production while the cards were still in sheet form and the second category where something else has happened to cause the cards to bleed onto one another when the cards are individually cut, which would be after-factory.

So far in this thread this is what I see.

In-factory wet sheet transfer - Hartsel & Needham

After-factory ink transfer - Lord & Brashear

Some T206s display a wet sheet transfer on almost every example. McGraw (Glove on Hip) Sweet Caporal 350-460-Factory 42 (no overprint) is one such card. Notice the red vertical lines in the green (grass) on each McGraw card.

Here are a few examples that I found within 5 minutes on Ebay.

Jantz