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Old 01-31-2018, 07:40 PM
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Default GOAT of GOATs?

So there is a lot of GOAT talk these days. Brady, Federer, etc. But who is the greatest among all the GOATs? Although one could define it as the greatest athlete ever, I think that question would yield a great bias towards people's preferred sports. So I'm defining it a bit differently: who, in your opinion, in any endeavor generally recognized as a competitive sport (e.g., no chess), had the greatest margin of dominance in that sport?

Although a bit off the beaten path, my vote would go to Alexander Karelin, notwithstanding his one loss to Rulon Gardner. I think he went something like a decade without giving up a POINT.
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Have a feeling this thread will garner many different answers. I have to go with the great one, Wayne Gretzky! Almost 1000 career points ahead of #2 on the all-time list. That is total dominance!
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Thought provoking topic...I tend to think of Ruth though not simply in the superficial "tales of the Bambino" kind of way. I don't have the stats in front of me, but relative to his era, the numbers he amassed were unthinkable ---until he did it, of course. Here was a player hitting more home runs than multiple teams! One could go on and on about how historic his hitting prowess was. However, his dominance as a pitcher wasn't too shabby either. For his time, he was the total package. I will be interested to read other figures suggested in this thread.

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Fedor Emelianenko is the GOAT. In a sport that even the best get beat he went 10 years and around 30 fights without a loss. The most impressive part is he did this as a heavyweight. With men that size all it takes is a single punch to stop anyone. Sadly like a lot of greats he is still fighting way past his prime and has been recently beat by guys that he would have destroyed during his amazing run as the "baddest man on the planet".
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I'd have to agree with Robert that Ruth, in his earlier years, had power hitting skills that were head and shoulders above anyone in the game. In the negro leagues, Josh Gibson was also dominant in that category.

Sugar Ray Robinson was very close to being undefeated in the 40's and 50's. He started out 40-0, lost to Jake LaMotta, then proceeded to go 88-0 after that (I will admit I had to look that up ).
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I'd go with Gretzky too. Ruth was incredible in his time but over time people have been able to surpass some of what he did, though in his time he was without question totally unmatched.

On the other hand Gretzky is not only the only NHL player with 2,000 points, he has nearly 3,000 points. He holds 61 NHL records and many of them will never be broken. Even today's greatest players don't come close to his single season stats.

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Babe Ruth and Usain Bolt. Both were so far ahead of their peers it was crazy.

In the chart below, we see that Ruth accomplished the feat of outhomering teams ninety times, between the years of 1918 and 1933, not to mention besting pairs of teams eighteen times.

BABE RUTH HOME RUN TOTALS VS TEAMS:

TEAM COMPARISONS 1918-1933 HRs > AL > NL

. . .. Ruth.> AL> NL
1918.. 11.. 4.. 1
1919.. 29.. 4.. 6
1920.. 54.. 7.. 7
1921.. 59.. 5.. 3 (a)
1922.. 35.. 1.. 1
1923.. 41.. 2 (b).. 1
1924.. 46.. 5.. 3
1925.. 25.. 0.. 0
1926.. 47.. 5.. 4
1927.. 60.. 7.. 5
1928.. 54.. 4.. 3
1929.. 46.. 2 (c).. 2
1930.. 49.. 1.. 0
1931.. 46.. 3.. 3
1932.. 41.. 1.. 0
1933.. 34.. 0.. 0 (d)
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I proudly nominate Herb Dudley, hurling ace of the world famous Clearwater Bombers. From 1940-1958, the team had no peers in fast pitch softball. The team won 10 national championships and three times were unscored upon throughout the district, regional, state and national playoffs. Dudley and his teammates are well represented in the ASA Hall of Fame. Other Bombers have impressive careers as well, so picking Dudley was not an easy choice.

As for Dudley, he pitched for 41 years retiring at the age of 61. He recorded over 13,000 strikeouts and pitched over 100 no-hitters. Fast pitch softball in this era was often a low-scoring affair at the championship level. In 1949, in a 21 inning game in Oklahoma City, Dudley recorded 55 strikeouts. Move over Walter and Nolan.
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So I'm defining it a bit differently: who, in your opinion, in any endeavor generally recognized as a competitive sport (e.g., no chess), had the greatest margin of dominance in that sport?
This is a very complicated thread and something only a guy like Peter would start (just playing with you, buddy.)

How do we measure dominance? Is it by focusing on statistics alone, or the number of awards, or the number of times the athlete helped his team get to the finals? There are so many different things to look at here. Also, let's not forget that certain positions get more attention in sports. For example, forwards get more love than defenders and goaltenders.

A lot of people consider Gretzky to be the GOAT of GOATS (or whatever you want to call it), but they all fail to see the big picture. Gretzky played on an amazing team and many of these guys made the NHL top 100 list, such as Messier, Kurri, Fuhr, Coffey, etc. Now here is something that rarely gets mentioned: after Gretzky was traded to the Los Angeles Kings, the Oilers won another cup WITHOUT HIM. In other words, they proved to the hockey world that they didn't need Gretzky to be great. Furthermore, many of these guys went on to win cups with other teams. For example, Messier won with the New York Rangers and Paul Coffey with Pittsburgh. Gretzky never won the cup again.

Now let's take a look at Bobby Orr. In the 10 seasons he played with Boston - his career was a very short one - he won 8 consecutive Norris Trophies as the league's best defender and 3 consecutive Hart trophies. He is the only player in his position to win the Art Ross Trophy, and he did it twice. He took his team to the finals 3 times and won twice. He would would play insane defense, often dropping to his knees and taking punishment, and he was just as effective in the attacking zone. He had two seasons where he almost scored 40 goals, and towards the end his career, despite playing in a lot of pain, almost had 50 goals - we're talking about a DEFENDER here! The list goes on and on and those who saw him play consider him to be way better than Gretzky. I would take him and Gordie Howe over scrawny Gretzky.
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Let's think outside the box. How about Secretariat?
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