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Old 02-06-2013, 04:05 PM
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Default Are these variations or print defects?

In looking around for "new" variations, I noticed these two cards and was wondering if either would be a variation or if they are simply one off print defects.

The first is a 61 Topps #299 Clay Dalrymple with a "black hat". The second is a 63 Topps Dennis Menke with a yellow print line to the right of the inset photo.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:34 PM
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Saved---for whatever my view is worth, I think the Menke is a print defect. There are numerous similar print overuns in every Topps set. On the other hand PSA seems to think a similar print defect on the back of the 1961 Fairly is a variation

The 1961 Dalrymple is something else. If the black out was on the original card and not added after the printing process, it would seem to be an intentional change to the regular card and thus, in my view, a variation. Never seen one like it. And since he did not change teams in 60-61-62---it would seem unlikely Topps would make such a change

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Old 02-06-2013, 05:01 PM
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Menke is a print defect.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:33 PM
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Thanks guys for the info. Al, I figured that if you had not seen either of these cards as a variation, that the likelihood of them being a variation was slim.

The 61 card is tough to tell at what point in the process the black was added to the cap

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Old 02-07-2013, 12:54 AM
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I would like to see a scan of the entire Dalrymple card.

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Old 02-07-2013, 06:41 AM
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Doug, here is an image of the entire card...please let me know what you think. Thanks
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:06 AM
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Are you sure that some kid didn't magic marker up that hat?? Or is it actually printed on the original card right from the factory?
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:41 AM
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I do not have the Clay D card in hand...in a different forum, I was discussing collecting variations with the owner when he shared with me these scans and OKd sharing them here. He tells me that the black on the hat appears to be part of the original printing process for this card, which would seemingly rule out the marker directly on the card itself. But again, I am also going by just the scans myself. Both Al and Doug seem to have infinite knowledge of these types of variations, so their opinions (as well as all others) are very welcomed.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:15 AM
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There are 45 1961 C.Dalrymple cards on eBay an none of them have that black hat.
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I agree with the magic marker theory.
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