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Old 03-03-2016, 08:41 AM
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The lady I bought the original one from stated she thought she had seen another but couldn't remember which box it was in. She has now found it and sold it to me. So there are now at least two.

These are the images she provided me (front and back), but you can still see slight cropping differences.




I do agree that this may have been an early run to test image cropping prior to release and just ran both sides of the sheet for cost savings.

I believe her husband must have set up at shows, so maybe some of the non common players have been sold and are in other people's private collections. It will be interesting to see if any more pop up over time.
Nice. I wonder how many similar cards or cards with other variations we will find.
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I tried to get these graded by PSA. The rest of my order Popped, but these show "N9: NOT GRADED Factory Mis-Print, No Grade". This surprised me.

Does anyone know if these types of issues are graded by BGS or SGC?
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Psa rarely grades proofs, which I would lean more to these being than a printing error for sure.

You might have better luck with Beckett.
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Psa rarely grades proofs, which I would lean more to these being than a printing error for sure.

You might have better luck with Beckett.
I did try beckett for the 5 double sided cards I have but when they didn't grade I asked why and this is the response I got:

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Weve never seen cards that had double printed fronts. Weve only seen ones with wrong backs. Were thinking that it was factory items that were not supposed to get out from the factory. Because of that, we werent really comfortable grading/authenticating them for those reasons.
When I pointed out that they do grade the 1990 Donruss double fronts and asked what it takes to get them graded this is the response I got:

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We do not grade all error/test cards, so it is just a case-by-case basis with each of those sets as to if we have sufficient information on each set, correspondence from the card company on us being able to grade these cards, etc. Most likely we tried to reach out to Topps about this set and they did not give us any information, so we went ahead to not grade the set because of lack of information from the card company. If you are able to reach out to Topps and have them send information to us regarding these error cards, we will look into grading them.
So my question is does anyone have a contact at Topps that might be able to get me more information on these cards?
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I did try beckett for the 5 double sided cards I have but when they didn't grade I asked why and this is the response I got:



When I pointed out that they do grade the 1990 Donruss double fronts and asked what it takes to get them graded this is the response I got:



So my question is does anyone have a contact at Topps that might be able to get me more information on these cards?
The fact they are not on regular 91 Topps card stock was probably also a big reason they would not grade them.

I will say it is weird Beckett would not grade them as they will slab almost anything.
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The fact they are not on regular 91 Topps card stock was probably also a big reason they would not grade them.

I will say it is weird Beckett would not grade them as they will slab almost anything.
They are on regular card stock. I am confused why you think that?

The only reason I stated one side was glossy and the other side as matte was because the "matte" side is the side the stats would typically be on. There were some double glossy side 1990 Donruss cards so I wanted to be clear that this card still had the making of the regular card, except that the 'reverse' is does not contain stats.
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They are on regular card stock. I am confused why you think that?

The only reason I stated one side was glossy and the other side as matte was because the "matte" side is the side the stats would typically be on. There were some double glossy side 1990 Donruss cards so I wanted to be clear that this card still had the making of the regular card, except that the 'reverse' is does not contain stats.
I 100% guarantee it is not regular 91 Topps card stock. Look at the back of any regular 91 Topps and it is not white. There is no white ink on a baseball card. Those cards have a white border on both sides so it can't be regular card stock.
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I 100% guarantee it is not regular 91 Topps card stock. Look at the back of any regular 91 Topps and it is not white. There is no white ink on a baseball card. Those cards have a white border on both sides so it can't be regular card stock.
Ok I understand what you are saying. In my mind I separated the "finishing" of the cardstock from the cardstock itself (even if that is an errant way of thinking). I don't have the cards in hand, but when I get them back I will compare them to 1992 Topps and see if it would be more accurate to compare those two cards.

This is why I want to find a contact at Topps to see if they can shed more light on these.
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I believe 'errors' were intentionally printed. 1990 and '91 were the worst.

I have some '91 Topps fronts, with 1989 Topps *football* backs.
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I believe 'errors' were intentionally printed. 1990 and '91 were the worst.

I have some '91 Topps fronts, with 1989 Topps *football* backs.
I do have a couple 91 Fronts with Football backs. As a matter of fact a Jose Canseco and Frank Thomas were a part of my submission to BGS.
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