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Old 08-29-2013, 05:13 PM
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Default Why the **** did you start collecting vintage memorabilia????

Does anyone have a definitive moment that they can attribute their love of collecting VINTAGE MEMORABILIA to?

I know I can….and I am going to share it whether you want to hear it or not.
First off.. I am not a writer anymore. I gave it up after college so I am sorry for all the F/sh words as well as gramatical/spelling errors. it is not in APA format either. This is raw dudes.. 

I was in 4th grade, 1987 when my dad took me with him on a road trip to MT for work. We had a great time planned of snowmobiling in Yellowstone(which we did), big sky skiing along with many other things. The problem is, I contracted the chicken pocks while in MT.

I still remember hallucinating in the hotel room thinking there were vampire spiders under the bed(I guess those were my subconscious fears). Anyway… I was worthless and my dad felt really bad for me. It was supposed to be a bonding week and I was most likely acting like a little Biat...ABY. There was, however, one thing we had in common(that I perked up for)..talking baseball and baseball cards.

At that time I was into Boggs, Mattingly and Puckett like every other kid while trying to understand names like Reggie Jackson, Mike Schmidt, Carew, Seaver, Rose ect who were on their way out and shells of themselves. My dad would tell me stories of them but mostly of Mickey Mantle. My collection consisted of 1980-87 topps cards(sets I was putting together by hand) and that’s about it. The 1980 to 1984 cards were beat to sh*t as I was definitely not concerned with the condition AT ALL. It was still a time where us kids were not looking to make money on them but looked at the images, artwork and read the states on the back.

While in Bozeman, my dad looked up baseball cards in the yellow pages(probably several shops back then) and picked out a couple to take me to(cheer me up). The first one we went to was small but we were able to find a several Maris cards(1961 mvp, 1965 and 1967 topps) along with a ton of commons from 65,66 and 67). There were no Mantle cards there but my dad talked to me about Maris and Mantle(we are from ND) so the Maris connection history was fun to learn on the way to shop #2.

The second shop we went to would change me and my collecting habits forever. It was called COPE’S COLLECTIBLES. It was owned and operated by Everett Cope. When I walked in, I was overwhelmed. There were multiple Canseco and Mattingly Donruss rookies(huge back then), Aarons, Mays, Schmidt, Bench ect ect but no Mantle.
HOWEVER… I saw a bunch of signed pictures of old players all over the wall. One said Mickey Mantle and was signed. The signature was beautiful and as fun/almost as fictional as Mickey Mouse to me. All the great, "larger than life" stories were so hard to believe. It was a beautiful framed piece with all his stats, perfectly signed and numbered to 1000.

I had never seen anything like this. My dad asked what these were and so goes the story. This is before the players were getting s*it tons of money from Upper deck and Topps and everyone else and their mom. In a nut shell, Ev commissioned artists on 1980-87ish to paint many of the greats. He then made up prints of these paintings along with career records and them(living players) sign each one limited to 1000. He had to be one of the first to do this.

On that visit, Ev and my dad talked about the old players and Mickey Mantle at great length. I learned so much in just a few hours. Ev had pictures of him and the Mick at the signings. He had stories of him and close friend Harmon Killer fishing...Ted Williams giving him hitting instructions, Ev in the dugout at yankee stadium ...ect. I was in awe.

To make a long story short, my dad(not having much money back then) bought his sick son a limited signed print of Mantle, a signed Mantle ball, a signed mays and Aaron ball and sadly.. a MINT JOSE CANSECO 1986 DONRUSS ROOKIE( that I believe he spent the most on). I still have all of those pieces in my collection.

I retuned back to ND with the Mick in hand with a complete stat list and an AUTOGRAPH as age 12. I read everything I could get my hands on and educated all of my friends. There was a group of about five of us who were tight and collected together. Two of them I still keep in touch with but they no longer collect. I, however, never stopped. The visit to COPE’S COLLECTIBLES and the purchase of the Mantle items at age 12 sparked my crazy collecting engine and the "sickness" began. From then on, I collected vintage memorabilia/cards only. With teh occasional Billy Rip. f-face card of course. Along the way, I reconnected with Ev in college and purchased a Ted Williams career records plaque as well but then fell back out of touch.

At this year’s National. I saw an original oil painting in Legendary auctions and I immediately recognized it. It was the HUGE painting I saw as a kid in Ev’s shop that all the Mantle prints were made from(including mine). It was done my Robert Stephen Simon and signed perfectly(7-8 inches long). I mentioned I knew Ev Cope to Doug Allen and he said he was at the show. I gave Doug my card and asked that he have Ev call me. Of course he did and I am happy we are back in touch.

I was able to add the MICKEY MANTLE as well and the TED WILLIAMS ORIGINAL, SIGNED, OIL PAINTINGS USED FOR THE PLAQUES to my collection this month!

Although not Kreindlers , these still evoke so many childhood memories and will be keep sakes in my collection forever. I feel like these are also part of the evolution in original baseball art and baseball collecting as a whole(even outside of my story). IDK if that makes sense..

When I go back to my parent’s house. 4 things are always the same; their love for me, my mom’s kick a** food(rhubarb desert is my favorite), my dad and I fighting over the remote while talking baseball and Mickey Mantle Career records plaque on the wall in my old room.

Now I also have the original painting in my house and can't wait until my dad sees it.


Anyway, below are the prints that were sold way back in the day along with the 4 original artworks I recently added to my collection(original mantle and teddy oils and (2) mantle sketches also used for the plaques.

Again...sorry for the ramblings, misspellings, grammar issues ect.. but deal with it.

I needed a quick break from work and stressed out. I should have spent more time on this but sometimes writing an account quickly is the best way as is raw and most accurate(less BS). I like to ham it up as those found out at the net54 dinner. For those of you who I haven’t met yet, remind me to tell you the penguin joke when we do.

Love to hear your stories.

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1) ORIGINAL FRAMED MANTLE PLAQUE SIGNED BY MANTLE AND NUMBERED (LIKE THE ONE HANGING ON MY CHILDHOOD WALL-3 pictures).
2) ORIGINAL FRAMED TED WILLIAMS PLAQUE SIGNED BY TEDDY BALLGAME(LIKE THE ONE HANGING ON MY CHILDHOOD WALL).
3) ORIGINAL PAINTING USED FOR NUMBERED MANTLE PRINTS/PLAQUES-SIGNED BY BOTH THE MICK AND ARTIST SIMON-24X30
4) ORIGINAL SKETCHES USED FOR NUMBERED MANTLE PRINT/PLAQUES-SIGNED BY BOTH THE MICK AND ARTIST SIMON
5)ORIGINAL PAINTING USED FOR NUMBERED TED WILLIAMS PRINTS/PLAQUES-SIGNED BY BOTH TED WILLIAMS AND ARTIST WARD CAMBRIDGE
6/7..ECT) PICTURES AND LINKS RELATED TO EVERETT COPE, HIS PLAQUES AND HIS SERVICE TO THE HOBBY. EV IS A GREAT GUY AND HAS PROVIDED A LOT OF PEOPLE MANY MEMORIES. HERE IS TO YOU EV!

http://jeffmarren.com/Legendary/0813...ction0813.html

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com...534161a63.html

http://baseballrecordsdigest.com/about/
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Old 08-29-2013, 05:56 PM
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Nice post Ben. I only collect cards.
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:25 PM
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Nice post Ben. I only collect cards.
Well.. stories about that would be cool too. Why still collect as a grown man?

I evolved fom:

Wade boggs rookies, frank viola sigs and donruss diamond kings(as art)

to

maris/mantle cards, mantle balls and copes collection art plaques

to

ty cobb and babe ruth cards, babe ruth cut and willard mullin art

to

babe ruth rookie original photos, babe ruth christy walsh signed cks and kreindler art( i still appreciate old cool cards though and would like to own a couple-just too expensice for me to justify).
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:07 PM
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Ben,

I felt privileged to have read your post. Thanks for sharing, great story.

I didnt know you were a sentimental guy.

Great thread.

At age 6, my dad told me, out of the blue, one day at my grandparents, that he kept all his cards.

Didnt mention it before, even though I had collected since birth about, and then sat down with me, in a serious discussion at my grandfathers house, where they had been kept for 30 years at the time. It was all there, 1953-1960, baseball, football, basketball. every set about.

And then I was shown my grandfathers generation of cards. My grandfather had kept T-206s from the 1910s, and my dad had added from tobacco shops and stands in Manhattan. These tobacco shops and stands were fill-ins for formal baseball card shops from 1950-1970. My dad told me he paid 25 cents for the T-206 green Cobb in circa 1960.

I believe I received 9 cards that day. The first card I received from my dad's collection was a 1956 Hank Aaron.

And there it all was. I learned from the cards. They were still the internet in the 1980s, along with books. and learned from my family the history of baseball, and how to care for the cards.

As I got older, I wanted to be closer to the actual players. and then, closer to the players actually playing the game. I moved from cards, to autographs, to pre-war game used and for the c.1900-1915 group, photos. Cards became autographs became game used.

My grandfather J@mes Fuld was an attorney by day, and a sheet music collector, really a historian of music, by night/weekend/vacation.

He assembled our history of popular music - The Star Spangled Banner, Happy Birthday, Mary had a Little Lamb, etc. from collecting the sheet music, from 1600 to 1900. from first edition to final edition. alterations, developments. music and lyric may have been created separately and merged over time. He also collected the handwritten spontaneous creations. So he really collected to piece together the history of popular music. At one point he owned 3 of the surviving 7 original printings of the Star Spangled Banner printed in 1814. Incredibly, they were not tremendously expensive, like Ruth jerseys and Wagners were not.

I have a researching/collecting gene, I cant help it. I guess thats my why. My 2 year old son has about 80 little toy horses of various sorts. Lord help him and us.

But I love the game. Playing, and researching and collecting.
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Great post, Ben.

I got fired up by a 1909 Pirates supplement that had hung in Honus Wagner's office at Forbes Field. It hung on my wall for a far shorter time and then I regrettably sold it. Wish I had not. The thrill was in having something that actually had a personal tie to the ballplayer, unlike cards which the players never actually touched. I finally picked up a piece to replace the supplement - this 12" x 16" 1917 photo of Wagner that hung in his house:

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Ben,

I felt privileged to have read your post. Thanks for sharing, great story.

I didnt know you were a sentimental guy.

Great thread.
HAHA.. I have my moments..

As a kid, my dad received teh collection of an old man down the streat in Detroit. He then collected all through childhood. He was able to keep all teh cards and they even made it to Fargo ND when his family moved and he went to college. The problem is, his mom(my grandma-who was the best btw god rest her soul) gabe them to the truck driver(who moved them). So close to being in your shoes... mantle rookies, tobacco cards..ahh.. makes me sick. Anyway, it was something that my father and I were able to do togethe rtoo. He bought me other cards as a grew up(mis-spoke when I said it was just vintage memorabilia- that included vintage cards). He also collects stamps.. so yeah..
Your son appears to have "the gene" too buddy! haha! I love how you "learned to care for teh cards" from your family. I wonder how I learned? I probably spilled jelly on one and tried to trade it and someone said no.
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Great post, Ben.

I got fired up by a 1909 Pirates supplement that had hung in Honus Wagner's office at Forbes Field. It hung on my wall for a far shorter time and then I regrettably sold it. Wish I had not. The thrill was in having something that actually had a personal tie to the ballplayer, unlike cards which the players never actually touched. I finally picked up a piece to replace the supplement - this 12" x 16" 1917 photo of Wagner that hung in his house:
You know how much I love this piece.. it is fantastic and I think you make up for "yor loss" very very well. I am glad it didn't discourage you otherwise we wouldn'y have teh pleasure of you posting on here ruffling feathers.. HAHA!
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Ben, it's funny. I sold that piece for about what I paid for it, and the buyer was having a lot of second thoughts. I think when he re-sold it and doubled (or tripled) his money, he felt a little better.

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Here's the other piece I should have kept, and a check as well:

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I added a horse pic above, representing about one tenth of the horses here.
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