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Old 04-10-2018, 01:35 PM
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Ebay user: sals9087
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I have a Living Set on ebay. The user made an offer of $92. It was accepted. Then this exchange happened:

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Not buying please cancel
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It was already accepted. Ebay will auto open a non-paying case probably Thursday (I think it takes 3 days). Then if you don't pay it will be cancelled and you will receive your non-paying buyer mark at that time.
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You will receive Feedback accordingly. Thanks. Fix the issue.
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This issue is yours. You can fix it as soon as you pay. Thank you.
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Nothing paying for an item I dont want. It wasnt a bid. You can very easily cancel it. But you want to extort me now. Ok. Lets see how that works...
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Not extortion.

Stated clearly when you make an offer:

"By clicking Submit offer, you are agreeing to and entering into a legally binding contract to purchase the item from the seller."

Again. Ebay will cancel the sale when you don't pay. At that time they will give you a non paying buyer strike. Then it will be over. Or you can pay.
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You didnt lose the sale because I won a bid. I asked you nicely if you could cancel yesterday. Ive cancel customers orders if requested. But since you are going to go this route I hope you enjoy your upcoming feedback. Oh well. Lets see what happens
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Sal Saluccio,

I would suggest you read the Feedback Extortion Policy for Ebay
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/f...policy?id=4230

Thank you for your business.
This wasn't the end, but now he has decided to use language I would rather not repeat.

Those that may be questioning why I won't cancel the sale, it is because I want him to get his deserved "Non-payer strike". I use those strikes to block bidders/buyers and wouldn't want to cheat other users from this benefit.

Also if I do cancel he can still leave a feedback because of the loophole in ebay that allows feedback if the Seller cancels the sale.
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Old 04-10-2018, 02:29 PM
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Sucks to be an ebay seller nowadays....I applaud your conviction but it will probably get you a negative. I would just cancel and move on. Until they click the pay button i just let em cancel. Like amazon and walmart I guess....

Ebay did all a real disservice changing their feedback system years ago. It takes away the checks and balances and is just totally heavily in favor of the "buyer".

I also wish you could leave feedback when sellers don't respond to buy it now offers. Common courtesy if I shoot you a message, ask a question, submit an offer , why not reply. If you don't like my offer you can change your settings to Auto decline it so you're not bothered.. Yet sellers like this have a 100% feedback. Blech!

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Old 04-10-2018, 04:01 PM
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Sucks to be an ebay seller nowadays....I applaud your conviction but it will probably get you a negative. I would just cancel and move on. Until they click the pay button i just let em cancel. Like amazon and walmart I guess....

Ebay did all a real disservice changing their feedback system years ago. It takes away the checks and balances and is just totally heavily in favor of the "buyer".

I also wish you could leave feedback when sellers don't respond to buy it now offers. Common courtesy if I shoot you a message, ask a question, submit an offer , why not reply. If you don't like my offer you can change your settings to Auto decline it so you're not bothered.. Yet sellers like this have a 100% feedback. Blech!

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Ebay has already been contacted and they assured me the buyer won't be able to leave me a negative feedback and they are going to monitor his account and possibly suspend it due to some extra threats that followed. Also he has been blocked from my account.
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:44 PM
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Sucks to be an ebay seller nowadays....I applaud your conviction but it will probably get you a negative. I would just cancel and move on. Until they click the pay button i just let em cancel. Like amazon and walmart I guess....

Ebay did all a real disservice changing their feedback system years ago. It takes away the checks and balances and is just totally heavily in favor of the "buyer".

I also wish you could leave feedback when sellers don't respond to buy it now offers. Common courtesy if I shoot you a message, ask a question, submit an offer , why not reply. If you don't like my offer you can change your settings to Auto decline it so you're not bothered.. Yet sellers like this have a 100% feedback. Blech!

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What kind of response/message does someone that makes an offer get when their offer is auto-declined? I also set up the Best Offer with auto accept and auto decline #'s with room in-between for negotiation. But always wondered what the "buyer" receives when a # is auto-declined.
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Old 04-10-2018, 10:53 PM
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Andy,

I applaud you for taking a stand against this individual. They need to be held accountable.

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Old 04-11-2018, 12:11 AM
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Good for you for not taking that (and I say this as someone who has never sold on Ebay).

You had me on your side at him saying "Not buying please cancel". Just so presumptuous and rude, he should have been apologizing profusely for cancelling rather than casually telling you to do something.
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Old 04-11-2018, 05:15 AM
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Those that may be questioning why I won't cancel the sale, it is because I want him to get his deserved "Non-payer strike". I use those strikes to block bidders/buyers and wouldn't want to cheat other users from this benefit.
There are ways around the NPB strike. I had a person win an auction, JBVEGAS10. After the auction, he claimed some bullcrap story about not liking the spider wrinkles on the back, even though I clearly showed pictures of them and described the card as "GOOD". The way around the NPB strike is to pay the auction, then immediately say you want a refund and threaten to return to due to "not as described"....the best advice is to block, out them and move on.
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:12 AM
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A lesser annoyance, but I love when you go back and forth with someone in real time on a best offer, you accept their offer, then they take 5-8 days to pay you.
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:22 AM
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There are ways around the NPB strike. I had a person win an auction, JBVEGAS10. After the auction, he claimed some bullcrap story about not liking the spider wrinkles on the back, even though I clearly showed pictures of them and described the card as "GOOD". The way around the NPB strike is to pay the auction, then immediately say you want a refund and threaten to return to due to "not as described"....the best advice is to block, out them and move on.
I saw that thread. It is scary how many loopholes there are.

I do feel there are some protections for the seller, but you have to call ebay as soon as possible to get ahead of it, which is a headache.

I have been in constant communication with Ebay about this user. It is actually the first time I have contacted to report a member, but this guy got really bad after my last shared post above. I stopped responding as it was becoming cyclical.

The strange thing is that the Non Payer Strike doesn't even have any noticeable affects if it is just one. I have had non payers, I have gotten used to it, but never have had someone so upset about that strike before.
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A lesser annoyance, but I love when you go back and forth with someone in real time on a best offer, you accept their offer, then they take 5-8 days to pay you.
I have thought about stopping the best offer because they don't require instant payment when the offer is accepted. I have had more non paying issues with Best Offer listings than with auctions.

As a matter of fact, because of this issue above and paranoid he was using a second account, when I received an offer on a lot yesterday. I just removed the best offer and put the listing to that offer amount, then messaged the user stating if they wanted the listing at that price they could purchase directly. That way the listing was still there, but now at their offer price. So if they didn't pay it was still available to anyone that would (they did purchase and pay a few hours later).
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Old 04-11-2018, 09:53 AM
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What kind of response/message does someone that makes an offer get when their offer is auto-declined? I also set up the Best Offer with auto accept and auto decline #'s with room in-between for negotiation. But always wondered what the "buyer" receives when a # is auto-declined.
Just a big message on the item screen saying your offer was declined, and that you can make another one if you have offers remaining on that item. I think the buyer gets 5 chances.

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Old 04-11-2018, 12:29 PM
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Good for you standing up to a non-payer.Any non paying bidders I have get blocked immediately.They're more trouble than they're worth.
I had 1 woman who bought a pin,paid for it with Paypal,and then canceled the sale all within 1 and 1/2 minutes.She went on my Blocked Bidders list after that.

I also had something happen to me as a buyer,that I didn't appreciate too much. I had a seller charge me for "Priority mail" for a single pinback. It was worth the extra money and I figured I'd have it in a couple of days. The seller waited 10 days before shipping it and then sent it Priority mail. It kind of defeated the whole purpose of Priority mail.
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Old 04-11-2018, 01:13 PM
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I have thought about stopping the best offer because they don't require instant payment when the offer is accepted. I have had more non paying issues with Best Offer listings than with auctions.

As a matter of fact, because of this issue above and paranoid he was using a second account, when I received an offer on a lot yesterday. I just removed the best offer and put the listing to that offer amount, then messaged the user stating if they wanted the listing at that price they could purchase directly. That way the listing was still there, but now at their offer price. So if they didn't pay it was still available to anyone that would (they did purchase and pay a few hours later).
I have a guy now who bought a 4 digit card and is on his fifth day. According to him, he has to wait to get paid.
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I have a guy now who bought a 4 digit card and is on his fifth day. According to him, he has to wait to get paid.


Normally, I'd say he shouldn't be buyin cards
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Thanks for the info; added him to my $hit list.

This guy won a Hank Aaron card auction of mine then reneged:

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You might want to block him from wrecking one of your auctions.
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Sorry for your issues and thanks for the heads up. Guy is now blocked.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:54 AM
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I have had non payers, I have gotten used to it, but never have had someone so upset about that strike before.
He is upset because that's one less time he'll be able to pull that on someone. Good for you for not putting up with this BS. No one forced him to submit an offer.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:33 AM
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He is back and has disclosed for me his wife's account:

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Old 04-16-2018, 08:26 PM
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Thanks for the info; added him to my $hit list.

This guy won a Hank Aaron card auction of mine then reneged:

davwil-4

You might want to block him from wrecking one of your auctions.
JBVEGAS10 is the worst. You do NOT want him bidding on your auctions.
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I bought a card then later that day I get a refund. When asked why the seller told me he double listed the card by mistake.

Should I just say what ever or should I give a proper feed back ?
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I didn't read all of the replies, but if you have messages showing he is claiming he'll leave appropriate feedback ahead of time, eBay will almost certainly wipe the feedback from your record once you show them.
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I bought a card then later that day I get a refund. When asked why the seller told me he double listed the card by mistake.

Should I just say what ever or should I give a proper feed back ?
If you think its fishy leave a neutral

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Thanks ! I think it was a mistake but the other card sold first so I dont get how he didnt know.
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