PWCC and Bid Retractions

[dariushou]

Didn't PWCC come on here and say they were policing their auctions and not allowing bidders with more than 25 bid retractions to bid. I mean that number is way to high if you ask me...policing it with their resources should be very simple. Thought they were working with ebay too...maybe wrong there.

Anyhow, I was checking some Mattingly Auctions tonight and saw a PWCC auction and naturally I wanted a laugh and got one. Check out the two i***i bidders. One with 49 bid retractions and one with 22. Since the one with 49 only bid once, I wonder what other auctions he is bidding on for PWCC...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Donruss...IAAOSw241Yl9A5

[pokerplyr80]

Email Brent the ebay ID and see what he says. They may not have noticed.

[dariushou]

See, i have a problem with that. He's in business of making money and he should be protecting his investment. Not me. It is very easy for him to hire a data guy to data scrape his auctions for this. His policy -- 2nd and 3rd paragraphs are their vague policing strategy...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=229658

Are they not working with EBAY on this? Has EBAY put in code that does not allow those with over 25 bid retractions to bid on PWCC auctions? How do you stop last second (sniped) shilling with people with bid retractions greater than 25? So is there any policing whatsoever? Not even a data scraper. Based on auctions values that are ending, I would think PWCC is making enough cash. I couldn't imagine coming out with a policy like this in my profession and not being burned at the stake if i did not adequately implement and police it. In fact, i would have the regulators in my biz as soon as any of this non-sense started. I hate regulations, but maybe that's what this industry needs -- someone with some teeth...venting of course but come on.

[botn]

Originally Posted by dariushou

See, i have a problem with that. He's in business of making money and he should be protecting his investment. Not me. It is very easy for him to hire a data guy to data scrape his auctions for this. His policy -- 2nd and 3rd paragraphs are their vague policing strategy...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=229658

Are they not working with EBAY on this? Has EBAY put in code that does not allow those with over 25 bid retractions to bid on PWCC auctions? How do you stop last second (sniped) shilling with people with bid retractions greater than 25? So is there any policing whatsoever? Not even a data scraper. Based on auctions values that are ending, I would think PWCC is making enough cash. I couldn't imagine coming out with a policy like this in my profession and not being burned at the stake if i did not adequately implement and police it. In fact, i would have the regulators in my biz as soon as any of this non-sense started. I hate regulations, but maybe that's what this industry needs -- someone with some teeth...venting of course but come on.

Oh yeah, that post by Brent was just to make everyone feel better. You didn't actually think that policy, as well as others, would actually be implemented, did you? No consequences for his not following through on any enforcement or at least efforts to enforce policies that protect the buyers. He had 15,000 listings this month and very strong prices throughout. If I were Brent I would not change a thing. Seems to be working very very well for him.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It appears there is no automatic block, from what Brent said.

eBay wide, any user ID that has a high number of bid retractions on the eBay platform will be blocked from participating in PWCC auctions. We believe that the majority of users who abuse the bid retraction tool will cease this behavior. We have to establish a starting point, so to start any user ID we identify that has greater than 25 bid retractions over the last six months will be blocked from participating in PWCC auctions. Any user ID we identify with between 10 and 25 retractions will be notified of our policy and warned. In time, we plan to reduce the allowed number of retractions to 10, and perhaps as low as 5. Note: a user’s bid retraction count is not a statistic we can automatically filter; we appreciate the help of the collecting community in identifying user IDs which show quantities beyond our defined limits.

[D.P.Johnson]

I'm pretty sure ebay allows people to have an unlimited number of accounts. Thus, if someone really, really, really, really, really, really, really wants to shill (ahem...I mean retract their bids), they'll figure out away around any supposed "restrictions"...

[Leon]

If you have a problem start your own business and do as you say. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by dariushou

See, i have a problem with that. He's in business of making money and he should be protecting his investment. Not me. It is very easy for him to hire a data guy to data scrape his auctions for this. His policy -- 2nd and 3rd paragraphs are their vague policing strategy...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=229658

Are they not working with EBAY on this? Has EBAY put in code that does not allow those with over 25 bid retractions to bid on PWCC auctions? How do you stop last second (sniped) shilling with people with bid retractions greater than 25? So is there any policing whatsoever? Not even a data scraper. Based on auctions values that are ending, I would think PWCC is making enough cash. I couldn't imagine coming out with a policy like this in my profession and not being burned at the stake if i did not adequately implement and police it. In fact, i would have the regulators in my biz as soon as any of this non-sense started. I hate regulations, but maybe that's what this industry needs -- someone with some teeth...venting of course but come on.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Leon

If you have a problem start your own business and do as you say. Problem solved.

Not as easy as it sounds

(I know you know that)

[Brent Huigens]

Good morning. PWCC "data girl" here! Thanks for the post. You are correct that we place blocks on all user IDs that we identify with more than 25 bid retractions in the last 6 months. There is indeed a bidder in the auction you note with more than 25 retractions. I have placed a block on this user ID and have reached out to him/her explaining our policy.

Please note that our policy has almost been in place for six months, which was the time frame we agreed to set the threshold at 25. Soon we will begin reducing the threshold because we feel the bidding community has had enough opportunity to improve their behavior.

As was noted by others in this post, our challenge is that eBay doesn't allow us to restrict bidding based on retraction history; in fact, we have to review each bidder to determine their total number of retractions. We catch many of the bidders with retraction history outside our policy, but we are limited by the tools provided to us by eBay. We greatly appreciate the assistance of many in the bidding community. Please continue to send concerns to either me at betsy@pwccauctions.com or our dedicated email address bidmonitoring@pwccauctions.com.

Finally, yes - eBay is indeed partnering with us in trying to curtail bid retractions. For the first retraction with PWCC, eBay sends a warning email describing the pilot project. The second retraction with PWCC, eBay places a bidding restriction where that user ID can't bid at all on eBay for 14 days. The third retraction results in that user ID being suspended from eBay indefinitely.

Please don't hesitate to reach out with any questions about or feedback on this policy or pilot program.

Thank you!

Betsy Huigens

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by dariushou

See, i have a problem with that. He's in business of making money and he should be protecting his investment. Not me. It is very easy for him to hire a data guy to data scrape his auctions for this. His policy -- 2nd and 3rd paragraphs are their vague policing strategy...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=229658

Are they not working with EBAY on this? Has EBAY put in code that does not allow those with over 25 bid retractions to bid on PWCC auctions? How do you stop last second (sniped) shilling with people with bid retractions greater than 25? So is there any policing whatsoever? Not even a data scraper. Based on auctions values that are ending, I would think PWCC is making enough cash. I couldn't imagine coming out with a policy like this in my profession and not being burned at the stake if i did not adequately implement and police it. In fact, i would have the regulators in my biz as soon as any of this non-sense started. I hate regulations, but maybe that's what this industry needs -- someone with some teeth...venting of course but come on.

They had said before they will monitor but there is no way for ebay to automatically block bidders with a certain number of retractions. Many members have no problem taking time to complain about problems in our hobby. Is it really too much to ask to send pwcc an email and help them block a dishonest bidder from their auctions?

At least they are trying to do something. Can anyone name 1 other eBay seller or consignment service that does anything to guard against shill bidding or people who retract bids? I cant.

[dariushou]

Ha, if i were to sit down and send emails to PWCC about all of the shills and whatnot going on in their auctions, I wouldn't find time to eat, s**t or sleep. It's not my job to go onto ebay and police PWCC auctions, but when i do see some b.s. I will post it here. I avoid their auctions like no tomorrow unless i want a good laugh.

Are they doing something?? Anyone can say whatever they like, but action is where the beef is. There is no action on their side. None...unless they get caught or i mean someone calls something out. That's total b.s. If you come on here with some big mean policy that is supposed to comfort people into bidding on your auctions then try to be proactive and not reactive!

[Leon]

This might be one of the most stupid (or ignorant) posts I have seen on this board. You either didn't or can't comprehend post #9?

To PWCC- As someone who runs a forum with around 8000 users I will tell you that no matter what you do there will be some idiot who doesn't like it.. Keep doing what you are doing, please. Be vigilant. The hobby supports you...

Originally Posted by dariushou

Ha, if i were to sit down and send emails to PWCC about all of the shills and whatnot going on in their auctions, I wouldn't find time to eat, s**t or sleep. It's not my job to go onto ebay and police PWCC auctions, but when i do see some b.s. I will post it here. I avoid their auctions like no tomorrow unless i want a good laugh.

Are they doing something?? Anyone can say whatever they like, but action is where the beef is. There is no action on their side. None...unless they get caught or i mean someone calls something out. That's total b.s. If you come on here with some big mean policy that is supposed to comfort people into bidding on your auctions then try to be proactive and not reactive!

[Leon]

That bidder is the 11th one down. Did he really affect the sale? That being said he should be in jail.

Originally Posted by dariushou

Didn't PWCC come on here and say they were policing their auctions and not allowing bidders with more than 25 bid retractions to bid. I mean that number is way to high if you ask me...policing it with their resources should be very simple. Thought they were working with ebay too...maybe wrong there.

Anyhow, I was checking some Mattingly Auctions tonight and saw a PWCC auction and naturally I wanted a laugh and got one. Check out the two i***i bidders. One with 49 bid retractions and one with 22. Since the one with 49 only bid once, I wonder what other auctions he is bidding on for PWCC...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Donruss...IAAOSw241Yl9A5