Card doctoring video

[Peter_Spaeth]

Presented without comment.

https://www.tiktok.com/@evanmathis69...40015920319790

[butchie_t]

Looks like the video is gone, along with the account.

[BioCRN]

He was "caught" buying doctoring supplies off his Ebay account in the past. I guess he's just owning it at this point.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

Looks like the video is gone, along with the account.

Damn it. It was from Evan and had a nice demonstration.

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

Looks like the video is gone, along with the account.

https://www.tiktok.com/@evanmathis69

It's the first video. TT videos copy/pasting is weird. I don't use TT, but I've seen sharing errors in the past.

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.tiktok.com/@evanmathis69...40015920319790

This works for me but not sure what the story is.

[butchie_t]

Every bit of suckage and not cool IMHO.

[Lucas00]

Gary went 58 years in amazing natural condition just to get violated by some idiot. Gotta hate it!

[nwobhm]

Cool video…..no way in hell I would buy a high grade anything that is expensive. If it’s that easy….

[Buythatcard]

That video was disturbing.

[Johnny630]

Did he have ties with Pwcc or that guy that has some other grading company ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

That video was disturbing.

What I find most interesting is that he just flaunts it.

I guess with the apparent failure of the FBI investigation to lead anywhere, it's a safe world now. Hack em up, grade em, sell em or consign em, repeat.

[parkplace33]

This exact video is why high grade slabbed cards, especially prewar, need to be viewed with suspicious eyes.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

This exact video is why high grade slabbed cards, especially prewar, need to be viewed with suspicious eyes.

I thought our beloved TPGs were supposed to have suspicious eyes. Oh, wait.

[YazFenway08]

i don’t know how i thought it worked…but pretty sure i didn’t think it was that easy.

[JimC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.tiktok.com/@evanmathis69...40015920319790

This works for me but not sure what the story is.

Look at you, Peter Spaeth, roaming Tik Tok. My kids won't allow me on that site for fear I'll break the internet.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by JimC

Look at you, Peter Spaeth, roaming Tik Tok. My kids won't allow me on that site for fear I'll break the internet.

LOL. It was posted on Blowout, so really I am only roaming Blowout.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.tiktok.com/@evanmathis69...40015920319790

This works for me but not sure what the story is.

That's awesome to see how the criminals do it.

I can't wait to practice on some of mine. Much easier than I thought. Even fat ex football players with sausage fingers can do it

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What I find most interesting is that he just flaunts it.

I guess with the apparent failure of the FBI investigation to lead anywhere, it's a safe world now. Hack em up, grade em, sell em or consign em, repeat.

It's about time. This is what every shady slimy dealer, doctors and PWCC's own conservator, Brent Mastro has been able to hide & kept quiet for 20 years or more.

Can't wait until he shows exactly what soaking solution they use and the next tic tac on coloring.

Great new business idea!!! Endorsed by all the 3rd party graders too.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

That's awesome to see how the criminals do it.

I can't wait to practice on some of mine. Much easier than I thought. Even fat ex football players with sausage fingers can do it

I think there are more sophisticated techniques involving pressing out the card, so that hacking it does not yield a short/narrow card. But you may not need to be very sophisticated to get it by our beloved TPGs.

[darwinbulldog]

Glad he posted it. Hopefully this sort of thing eventually takes us from these card prices that increase exponentially by numerical grade back to the good old-fashioned prices that increase linearly (and barely) by condition. I much preferred when the NM-Mt cards were 2x the price of VG cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Glad he posted it. Hopefully this sort of thing eventually takes us from these card prices that increase exponentially by numerical grade back to the good old-fashioned prices that increase linearly (and barely) by condition. I much preferred when the NM-Mt cards were 2x the price of VG cards.

I admire your optimism, but I think more people than not understand that this goes on and don't care.

[Bigdaddy]

Sometimes shinning a flashlight in the darkness can get uncomfortable, but I'd rather be uncomfortable and aware than not.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I admire your optimism, but I think more people than not understand that this goes on and don't care.

That’s the bottom line...many if not most know and do not care.

[jimq16415]

Here's an article about Mathis selling his 1952 Topps Mantle for $2.88 Million years ago.https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/20/19...rd-topps-sells

[ALBB]

WOW,
Im not saying its easy..but it sure looks easy !!

[theshowandme]

Former NFL lineman who has been caught many times before.

Sad

[Leon]

Collect cards with big borders.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Leon

Collect cards with big borders.

I agree...big bordered cards are the ideal ones to trim down.

Brian (not a trimming expert, but now I have a video for guidance)

[Peter_Spaeth]

This too is Evan. Also presented without comment. I am not sure how it connects to trimming cards.

https://godseer.com/

[bnorth]

I am shocked, shocked I say.

But when you can turn a $5 card into a $2000 card because there are people lined up for that $2000 card and they don't care why not.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This too is Evan. Also presented without comment. I am not sure how it connects to trimming cards.

https://godseer.com/

And this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5tEBz1LFVg&t=1844s

[Tyruscobb]

The irony made me laugh. Evan repeatedly advised the audience to carefully perform certain doctoring tricks a specific way to avoid damaging the card. He then proceeds to cut the card’s entire top edge off.

[Smarti5051]

This is why my collection is all PSA 1-5 quality. In 25 years, when all of the low grade cards are altered/doctored to be PSA 7+, my low grade cards will have unlimited potential, much like the allure of an unopened pack today.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Smarti5051

This is why my collection is all PSA 1-5 quality. In 25 years, when all of the low grade cards are altered/doctored to be PSA 7+, my low grade cards will have unlimited potential, much like the allure of an unopened pack today.

I have sold several Authentic and low grade cards in PSA slabs to see them show back up in a new holder. The exact same card magically being a little nicer and one to 2 grades higher. Collecting lower grade cards does not mean they haven't already been worked on.

[Casey2296]

That guy is a poor excuse for a human being with no moral character whatsoever.

[Snowman]

I wonder why he's posting this video? Wasn't he previously denying the card trimming allegations? And wasn't he allegedly being investigated by the FBI during that whole trimming scandal investigation that ended up going nowhere?

I wonder if PSA and SGC cut him off or something like that, and this is his retaliation? Because he cross-posted this video on Instagram, and he tagged Nat Turner in the comments, saying "this is how all of your vintage cards got high grades".

[Exhibitman]

And a card:



Trim this, you jagoff.

[justrun7]

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by justrun7

That is hilarious and true of 99.999% of all high grade vintage cards.

[bmattioli]

Going to give it a try..

[dmats33312]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I have sold several Authentic and low grade cards in PSA slabs to see them show back up in a new holder. The exact same card magically being a little nicer and one to 2 grades higher. Collecting lower grade cards does not mean they haven't already been worked on.

Yes, but it’s a far lower loss if it is found out to be manipulated over a high grade card. I try to get low grade with solid eye appeal for this reason. Not because it’s not possible that it has been worked on but because it’s much closer to the floor if anything has.

[Johnny630]

I think Mathis is just angry and bitter ….he is one of the few guys to have owned a high grade 52 Mantle and not make money on it over the past 20 years. He had a great card, a PSA 9 and he made no money and who bought it flipped it real fast and made $3 million!

[cannonballsun]

That Tik Tok video makes card doctoring look very easy.
It should make anyone who is buying high grade cards think twice (or more).

[jayshum]

He did make it look easy, but he also was starting with a card that was a little over standard size so after trimming some off, it just involved trying to get rid of the evidence that it was recently trimmed. For cards that are already at standard size, I would imagine there's a lot more work to trim them then to get them back to the correct size while not making it obvious.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

He did make it look easy, but he also was starting with a card that was a little over standard size so after trimming some off, it just involved trying to get rid of the evidence that it was recently trimmed. For cards that are already at standard size, I would imagine there's a lot more work to trim them then to get them back to the correct size while not making it obvious.

Some card doctors will press out cards before trimming them. Also, though, countless cards are a bit short of standard size but nevertheless get slabbed. I think you can microtrim with relative impunity.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by cannonballsun

That Tik Tok video makes card doctoring look very easy.
It should make anyone who is buying high grade cards think twice (or more).

Certainly a very valid concern for many, but I'm more worried about how many idiots with a razor blade and some wax paper this is going to inspire.

[Johnny630]

It’s things like this clip pretty much bashing calling PSA out that assure we aren't going to be getting anything higher then a 7 on Pre 1960’s cards. This video plays a part in us getting hammered on Grades.

[Republicaninmass]

Guess psa and himself aren't pals anymore. Seems like a guy who wouldn't last a minute in the old neighborhood without an elder giving him "one off the head"

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

It’s things like this clip pretty much basing calling PSA out that assure we aren't going to be getting anything higher then a 7 on Pre 1960’s cards. This video plays a part in us getting hammered on Grades.

Ya, there's no such thing as a gem mint vintage card. If you think you found one, you've probably been duped.