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View Poll Results: Shound Barry Bonds and/or Roger Clemens be inducted into the HOF? | |||
Bonds - in | 78 | 50.00% | |
Bonds - OUT | 78 | 50.00% | |
Cemens - in | 76 | 48.72% | |
Clemens - OUT | 77 | 49.36% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 156. You may not vote on this poll |
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I'm not understanding the greenies argument at all. You can still take the modern equivalent of greenies and play right now so long as you have a prescription. You can't take HGH or anabolic steroids at all, prescription or not. It's not an apt comparison. Last edited by packs; 12-20-2017 at 02:06 PM. |
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Using amphetamines without a prescription became a federal crime in about 1970. Do you think the pile of greenies in the clubhouse until baseball banned them in 2006 (I think that's the right date) was all by prescription? So we're cool with players who committed a federal crime repeatedly, but not with players who used HGH?
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Here are two weird ideas:
1.)The ONLY voting will be done by current Hall-of-Famers. and / or 2.) Elect Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, etc., but only INDUCT Them POSTHUMOUSLY!
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You're missing the point, but in any case Aaron was very productive in the early 70s, unless you want to sneer at seasons of 47 and 40 HR and two others in the 30s. The larger point is that according to many sources, greenie use in baseball was rampant, and it's a very safe assumption that many of our heroes used them, even after they became illegal from a federal law perspective.
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Why is it safe to assume that? If Mantle used them, he used them before he wasn't allowed to. If Aaron and Mays used them, what do you point to in support of them using greenies at the end of their careers?
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both out
It isn't so much the fact that they were using steroids, but what bothers me more is that they continued to lie about it and never admitted to what they were doing. If they had just told the truth I would be more inclined to give them a yes vote.
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That's their way of telling you the rules don't apply to them.
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Aaron 1971 at age 37 had his highest marks for HR, OBP, SLG, OPS and OPS+.
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For this particular instance, I really believe you can believe in the MAN more than the STATS. Isn't that refreshing? .
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Lots of players have an outlying big year later in their careers and Hank had a pair of flukey high ISO years, (surrounded by years that were normal, so that seems unlikely that he only did greenies every other year?) Plus using only one player is also fallacious. Bonds, Mac, Sosa, Palmeiro ...etc all posted long runs of their best numbers wayy late, they had double peaks. Since baseball mandated testing did you know thee is no longer a peak at 28 like before? Now , on average so of course individuals may differ, players are peaking right away and declining by 28.
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