Time to get rid of meaningless PAT - no time left

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well its about punishing the offense more than rewarding the defense. There would be counter arguments there that i think would be stronger that counters to my fact pattern.

I believe the rule was written to prevent players from intentionally trying to fumble the ball forwards into the end zone. But as often as the rule has come up this year I think it will be revisited in off season meetings and hopefully changed.

As for the extra point at the end of the game the solution is easy. Give the team the option to decline the try.

[ibuysportsephemera]

I know that if it is blocked and returned it only counts for 2 points. What happens if the exchange is not clean or the center snaps it over the holders head and it is returned the other way....is that still only 2 points?

Jeff

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

I know that if it is blocked and returned it only counts for 2 points. What happens if the exchange is not clean or the center snaps it over the holders head and it is returned the other way....is that still only 2 points?

Jeff

correct..thats why in my fact pattern i said if its more than a 2 more point lead..

[profholt82]

The Las Vegas Industrial Complex would never allow the NFL to ban the meaningless PAT because that meaningless PAT often has great meaning to sports books.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I believe the rule was written to prevent players from intentionally trying to fumble the ball forwards into the end zone. But as often as the rule has come up this year I think it will be revisited in off season meetings and hopefully changed.

As for the extra point at the end of the game the solution is easy. Give the team the option to decline the try.

They dont get credit for the additional yards (or stoppage of time) on a fumble forward and/or out of bounds anymore during certain point of the game and there is time runoff as well i believe.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The PAT should be retired. 2 point conversion only. If the complaint is that that takes a strategic choice out of the game, then have a 3 point option for something likely to succeed only say 1 in 10 times -- a 60 yard field goal, or a play from scrimmage from the 30, or whatever the statisticians calculate.

As far as kickoffs, I agree the sailing into the endzone is a total bore. What if the kicking team had to punt instead? Not many guys going to punt it into the end zone from 65 yards out.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The PAT should be retired.

I used to think the same thing. But now they've moved it back, it does make it more interesting. It's not so automatic anymore and you see a lot more missed PATs now than you did a couple years ago before they moved it back.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I used to think the same thing. But now they've moved it back, it does make it more interesting. It's not so automatic anymore and you see a lot more missed PATs now than you did a couple years ago before they moved it back.

Even so, it's still boring as heck.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I used to think the same thing. But now they've moved it back, it does make it more interesting. It's not so automatic anymore and you see a lot more missed PATs now than you did a couple years ago before they moved it back.

5% of PATs are missed now i think

what you do lose is the fake PAT and go for 2..that you used to be able to do...

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

5% of PATs are missed now i think

Correct, Jake. But before they moved it back, it was less than 1%. It's obviously made a difference and it's not so automatic anymore.

[celoknob]

Strange rigidity. I don’t understand why the rules couldn’t be different to end the game than end the half. That happens in baseball—once the home team has clinched the game in the bottom of the ninth or extra innings they don’t play three outs. The game is over. Not doing the PAT when up by more than 2 is exactly the same idea.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Correct, Jake. But before they moved it back, it was less than 1%. It's obviously made a difference and it's not so automatic anymore.

i think if you fake the long xp and get in the endzone it should be worth 3-4 points as well. If you just go for the straight 2 you have the ball much closer to the end zone.