CDV Identification Help Needed

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Posted By: Jason

Hi Guys,

I need a little help on this one. My expertise only really extends to about 1870 so I am a little stuck with this later CDV.

I think the guy in the baseball uniform could be Patsy Cahill (See tintype from Seth’s 19thcenturyonly auction form last year) but I am not sure who the other 8 are. All the gentlemen in the middle row look familiar but then again my eyes could be deceiving me.

Please also note the guy in the top row displaying his uniform under his jacket. The crest looks similar to the 1867 Troy Haymakers stars & stripes emblem but is several years too late for it to be them. The CDV however, does come from the NY area.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

Jason

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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman

Hi Jason,

Very interesting image.
The striped socks and the hat the uniformed player is wearing were mostly used in the 1870's as you correctly said.
Carte mount style + imprint style are about 1872 or after.
Don't have a clue on the crest under the jacket... again, very interesting.
I'll give it a try later using some images from my archives and see what I can find.


Jimmy

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Posted By: Pete Z.

Can I ask what you paid/range for the tintype with the dog? Tintypes, dags, ambros, cases, and photos that feature dogs, are what my wife is into collecting these days. Something like that would be the perfect crossover item between her and my hobbies.

A guy at the Chantilly show a few weeks ago had an OJ with a dog, not badly trimmed, and he still wanted 1200.
Thanks.

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Posted By: ramram

When do you think you'll get your site up and running? I've been looking forward to seeing it.

Rob M.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Sell Pete the Dog!!!

His story brings a tear to my eyes!!

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jason,
Neat image, but as was expressed on the board, later than the 1867 Haymaker image (I owned the six at one point, and they are beautiful); why are eight guys in suits and one in uniform, and one guy in suit has it open to show the crest? Very strange. Might be tough to i.d- no face jumps out at me and lack of a clear uniform makes it tough. Jaime is correct that it looks early seventies.I'll look at this image again and see if any ideas come up. With nine guys and one in uniform, safe to say it is baseball. I know that doesn't help, but it's a start. Can't say for sure that it matches the tintype, though. Hmm.

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Posted By: Jason

Thanks for the help gents! I of course would appreciate it if you could keep your thinking caps on.

Pete – I think that Patsy Cahill tintype went for around $2200 and unfortunately I am not the owner.

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Posted By: Kevin O

It really is a nice image. All I can do is speak to the Troy/Lansingburgh reference. I recognize none of the players from any of the local Troy/Lansingburgh clubs of the 1860s through the 1880s. I probably haven't seen as many local club images as Barry, but I have seen a lot of them. I can tell you, however, that the crest you pointed out was popular among clubs in this part of NYS in the late 1860s and 1870s. I've seen something similiar on at least two other team images. I'll see if I can locate those in my database.

That particular troy CDV is of the young pitcher Andrew McQuade; I know this not only from Rucker's designation, but because I've seen an 1866 team image with the names engraved into the matting. I'm curious why this image is always dated 1867--McQuade was killed in November of 1866. He was hit by a train while he sat in his coach on an Albany crossing. So even if the final was produced in 1867, the image was shot no later than November 1866.

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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman

Hi Rob,

Website project will have to wait at least for now.
My wife gave birth to our second son 2 months ago and you can imagine how hard is to have a 21 month old kid and a newborn at the same time... wow!


How are those Kearsarge cabinets doing?

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Posted By: ramram

The Kearsarge images are doing fine but would like some company. Jason W. and others are making it difficult though! You might have to unload a few images to pay for those diapers huh??

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Posted By: barrysloate

Hey Rob- I'm hoping you are not planning to break up the Kearsarge group and that you keep them together. They were originally found by my dear friend Walter Handelman, who passed away this past September. I bought them from him and eventually auctioned them off. In his memory, please keep them together (they are yours to do as you wish, this is just a plea). Thanks, Barry

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Posted By: ramram

As I've mentioned before, they will NOT be broken up under my watch!

Rob M.

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Posted By: barrysloate

That's the spirit!

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Posted By: Jason

Barry,

Do you still have any of the Haymaker CDVs in your possession? Is there any chance of you sharing any more of your early images with us?

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Posted By: barrysloate

Hi Jason,
I auctioned all six Haymakers as one lot several years ago, but saved color photocopies of them all. I'm happy to share all my images- they are no secret- but I pretty much sold everything from my collection save a few display pieces and a few of my rare books. But I have a big library of photocopies. The problem is my abominable computer skills. I don't know how to scan, and while my wife does it for me, neither of us have figured out how to post scans on this site. I usually just make color photocopies for people and mail them out. I can do that for you; I guess it would entail some expenses, though it would be nominal. Is there anything in particular you would like to see?

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Posted By: ramram

If you happen to want to email me your Haymaker scans I can post them.

Rob M.

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Posted By: Kevin O

The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler (woo woo) of the Base Ball CDV has the scans on his site: http://www.theruckerarchive.com Just click search and type in "Troy". Apart from these six (Abrams, Craver, King, McAtee, McKeon and McQuade), has anyone ever seen other Haymaker CDVs from this period? I've seen full team images of both the 1866 and 1867 Haymakers, but only these six CDVs. I assume these belonged to Barry at one time (?), as I've never heard of another set. When and where did you put your cdvs up for auction, Barry?

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Posted By: barrysloate

It was my first auction after breaking up my partnership with Jerry Smolin, in Nov. 2001. It was in SCD and went out to my mailing list at that time. I offered them as a group and they sold for just a shade below 12K.

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Posted By: ramramram

For those who want quicker access to the photos...here are some images Barry passed on for posting. 1867 Haymaker cdv's with a sample of the back. The last photo is of the 1861 Atlantics.

Rob M.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Rob- Thanks for donating your time to a cause as worthy as the computer challenged.

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Posted By: Jason

Thanks for all the effort guys! Sorry I didn't respond yesterday but I was away! I wish I could get my hands on those Haymakers!