May 17th and no no hitter yet?

[packs]

I don't know what you mean by worth. In 2016 Prince Fielder played 89 games total, 80 of which he served as DH. He hit 212 with a 292 OBP.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't know what you mean by worth. In 2016 Prince Fielder played 89 games total, 80 of which he served as DH. He hit 212 with a 292 OBP.

If he was a Starting Pitcher, that would make him one of the best Starting Pitcher hitters in the past 20 years. How many starting pitchers in the NL last year had a higher than 292 OBP. (Madison Baumgarner's career OBP is .233 and career best is .286) I am sure I can point to some DH's that hit .300+ as well and can point to many Starting pitchers that hit under .100.... I can also point to some number 8 hitters in NL lineups that were pitched around more than number 8 hitters in AL lineups due to the pitcher hitting in the 1-6th innings..

Not many DH's hit 9th or 8th? How many starting pitchers hit 9th or 8th? Why do so many starting pitchers hit 9th? Is it because they are great hitters? There are at least more than a few DH's hitting cleanup or 5th...

at least 16 of the last 20 no hitters (thats a large sample size) have been in NL parks.. like i said ..lets wait to see when the next 2 out of 3 no hitters are in AL parks before analyze more..

[packs]

I just don't think the DH is as good as you think. Greg Vaughn's career as a DH (over 1600 PA's) amounted to a 218 average. Reggie hit 227 as a DH. Adam Dunn hit 200 as a DH. Cecil Cooper hit 261 with a 298 OBP. The DH isn't always a good player.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I just don't think the DH is as good as you think. Greg Vaughn's career as a DH (over 1600 PA's) amounted to a 218 average. Reggie hit 227 as a DH. Adam Dunn hit 200 as a DH. Cecil Cooper hit 261 with a 298 OBP. The DH isn't always a good player.

Adam Dunn walked a lot. Cecil Coopers OBP still destroyed almost every starting pitcher obp in the last 20 years. The fact that the DH usually takes more pitches to get out means something for the pitch count as well. There are no starting pitchers that could take the job away from a DH. So the worst DH in the world is still better than the best SP hitter in terms of being a hitter. If you want to point to 1 or 2 players you can go ahead but still that would be 99% still in favor of the DH. I would imagine that would at least account for making it more than just a little harder to get a no hitter in the AL versus NL......16 or 17 of the last 20 hitters have been in NL parks. Pitchers over the years have become worse hitters as well as the game has become more specialized as well. Plus pitch counts are more important now. There may of been some AL no hitters in the 1970s with a pitch count that normally would have had them removed from the game. The game is different now.

David Ortiz was pretty good as a DH. Matt Holiday/Pujols and many others blow away even the very best starting pitcher hitter. By giving the NL no hitter 90% of the value of a AL no hitter that does account that the DH isnt always good. 10% is not a lot considering all the factors.