Weather at your house

[Mark17]

What annoys me is how otherwise intelligent people are either too lazy or too gullible to think for themselves and use just a tiny bit of common sense.

I live in Minnesota, where it routinely drops below freezing in winter and tops 100 degrees sometime during summer. That's a 100 degree change over about 6 months. Life survives. Yet, a one or two degree change spread over 100 years is supposed to be disastrous?

Carbon dioxide, a naturally occurring form of carbon in a carbon-based world, is required for all plant life (trees, grass, plants, vegetables, algae, etc.) Yet it comprises just one half of one tenth of one percent of the atmosphere. That means, for every 2,500 parts in the atmosphere, only ONE is CO2. And that is supposed to be too much, to the point of trapping heat and causing calamity?

People need to think just a little bit.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

What annoys me is how otherwise intelligent people are either too lazy or too gullible to think for themselves and use just a tiny bit of common sense.

I live in Minnesota, where it routinely drops below freezing in winter and tops 100 degrees sometime during summer. That's a 100 degree change over about 6 months. Life survives. Yet, a one or two degree change spread over 100 years is supposed to be disastrous?

Carbon dioxide, a naturally occurring form of carbon in a carbon-based world, is required for all plant life (trees, grass, plants, vegetables, algae, etc.) Yet it comprises just one half of one tenth of one percent of the atmosphere. That means, for every 2,500 parts in the atmosphere, only ONE is CO2. And that is supposed to be too much, to the point of trapping heat and causing calamity?

People need to think just a little bit.

Just for fun I had to look it up.

Minnesota Hottest day on record is 115 F Coldest day on record -60 F 175 degree difference.

South Dakota Hottest day on record is 120 F Coldest day on record -58 F 178 degree difference.

Seems like we get some extremes at both places.

https://www.rd.com/list/coldest-warm...n-every-state/

[irv]

Originally Posted by Mark17

What annoys me is how otherwise intelligent people are either too lazy or too gullible to think for themselves and use just a tiny bit of common sense.

I live in Minnesota, where it routinely drops below freezing in winter and tops 100 degrees sometime during summer. That's a 100 degree change over about 6 months. Life survives. Yet, a one or two degree change spread over 100 years is supposed to be disastrous?

Carbon dioxide, a naturally occurring form of carbon in a carbon-based world, is required for all plant life (trees, grass, plants, vegetables, algae, etc.) Yet it comprises just one half of one tenth of one percent of the atmosphere. That means, for every 2,500 parts in the atmosphere, only ONE is CO2. And that is supposed to be too much, to the point of trapping heat and causing calamity?

People need to think just a little bit.

There was a vid of a CBC journalist talking about how CBC told her "We don't want people thinking for themselves, we want them to believe everything we tell them" when she wanted to talk about/air all the adverse affects/vaccine injuries that were happening but the CBC refused.
She ended up quitting do to that as she didn't like their controlling/biased/brainwashing attitude and their media coverage regarding that.
Of course that vid has now been removed and is nowhere to be found so I'm thankful I was able to watch it before it was.
The thing is people can't connect the dots and see that Trudeau funded them 675 million dollars of our tax payer money but they still think the CBC isn't biased/favors Trudeau and the Liberals.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle29354285/

Originally Posted by bnorth

Just for fun I had to look it up.

Minnesota Hottest day on record is 115 F Coldest day on record -60 F 175 degree difference.

South Dakota Hottest day on record is 120 F Coldest day on record -58 F 178 degree difference.

Seems like we get some extremes at both places.

https://www.rd.com/list/coldest-warm...n-every-state/

Did you notice some of those dates, Ben? 1899, 1915, 1925, 1905, 1936, 1913, 1916, etc. I'm sure if one were to look, they'd easily find many articles debunking these dates and debunking the science/temperature taking techniques back then.
Many articles, science data from years ago has now been deleted and many others that haven't been, are very difficult to find/look up anymore. I wonder why they would do that?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

Did you notice some of those dates, Ben? 1899, 1915, 1925, 1905, 1936, 1913, 1916, etc. I'm sure if one were to look, they'd easily find many articles debunking these dates and debunking the science/temperature taking techniques back then.
Many articles, science data from years ago has now been deleted and many others that haven't been, are very difficult to find/look up anymore. I wonder why they would do that?

Seriously everyone can we please keep the silliness out of this thread?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Seriously everyone can we please keep the silliness out of this thread?

Ha, good luck with that!

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Seriously everyone can we please keep the silliness out of this thread?

"Silliness" is a very nice way to put it.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Just for fun I had to look it up.

Minnesota Hottest day on record is 115 F Coldest day on record -60 F 175 degree difference.

South Dakota Hottest day on record is 120 F Coldest day on record -58 F 178 degree difference.

Seems like we get some extremes at both places.

https://www.rd.com/list/coldest-warm...n-every-state/

I don't think it is controversial, or easily dismissed, that huge glaciers pushed south through the northern 2/3 of Minnesota about 10,000 years ago, carving out most of our 13,000 +/- lakes. Imagine how huge those ice sheets must've been, not just across, but thick and heavy enough to gouge big lake basins. Imagine how much ice expansion had to happen for these huge glaciers to move hundreds of miles, slowly changing the landscape.

And then imagine how extremely cold it must've been, even in summer, for those glaciers to continue to grow and expand, rather than melting away. And not just for one or two years, but probably hundreds if not thousands of years or more.

Now the thought of temps rising one or two degrees over the next 100 years throws some people into a panic.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I don't think it is controversial, or easily dismissed, that huge glaciers pushed south through the northern 2/3 of Minnesota about 10,000 years ago, carving out most of our 13,000 +/- lakes. Imagine how huge those ice sheets must've been, not just across, but thick and heavy enough to gouge big lake basins. Imagine how much ice expansion had to happen for these huge glaciers to move hundreds of miles, slowly changing the landscape.

And then imagine how extremely cold it must've been, even in summer, for those glaciers to continue to grow and expand, rather than melting away. And not just for one or two years, but probably hundreds if not thousands of years or more.

Now the thought of temps rising one or two degrees over the next 100 years throws some people into a panic.

Looks like you’ve spent your life studying this. Great conclusion you’ve reached through those rigorous studies.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Looks like you’ve spent your life studying this. Great conclusion you’ve reached through those rigorous studies.

Where do you think I am incorrect, with my facts or logic? Ad hominem is always a poor retort.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Where do you think I am incorrect, with my facts or logic? Ad hominem is always a poor retort.

Ha! Good luck getting a response to that!

[familytoad]

Ice is expected to blanket the entire county here and in my little town there’s no way to avoid fairly steep hills to get in/out of town.
(So I won’t)

The nearby highway heading east is closed for about 50 miles due to ice/winds up to 75 mph .

My driveway and road in front of my house is a hockey rink.
It’s actually unsafe for people to leave their house. Driving is not advised.

So far we haven’t lost power here, but due to the weight of the ice on the lines, that’s usually inevitable. I’ve got plenty of baseball cards to read…

Happy Holidays to everyone!

[irv]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I don't think it is controversial, or easily dismissed, that huge glaciers pushed south through the northern 2/3 of Minnesota about 10,000 years ago, carving out most of our 13,000 +/- lakes. Imagine how huge those ice sheets must've been, not just across, but thick and heavy enough to gouge big lake basins. Imagine how much ice expansion had to happen for these huge glaciers to move hundreds of miles, slowly changing the landscape.

And then imagine how extremely cold it must've been, even in summer, for those glaciers to continue to grow and expand, rather than melting away. And not just for one or two years, but probably hundreds if not thousands of years or more.

Now the thought of temps rising one or two degrees over the next 100 years throws some people into a panic.

This^^^. It's amazing what I am currently reading/hearing up here. One would think it's the end of times, life is over as we know it based on that. Our weather channel background is all bright red and the language they use, "Storm Warning" has a big lightning bolt coming down from the "T" in Storm.
It is still currently raining here and is +2c out. Zero snow, zero wind, just rain. Our supposed 20-30 cm's that we were supposed to get has now been dropped to a possible 5-10.
What happened to the days when they just said snow is on the way so make sure you have your snow shovels ready?
Fear, fear and more fear. If I didn't know any better I'd think they were trying to recondition us, brainwash us and reprogram us?
Climate crisis lockdowns are just around the corner just like covid was, you can bet on that.

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Ha! Good luck getting a response to that!

It's their typical response when their little minds don't have anything in the form of a rebuttal or argument. Resorting to insults is their MO every time.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by familytoad

Ice is expected to blanket the entire county here and in my little town there’s no way to avoid fairly steep hills to get in/out of town.
(So I won’t)

The nearby highway heading east is closed for about 50 miles due to ice/winds up to 75 mph .

My driveway and road in front of my house is a hockey rink.
It’s actually unsafe for people to leave their house. Driving is not advised.

So far we haven’t lost power here, but due to the weight of the ice on the lines, that’s usually inevitable. I’ve got plenty of baseball cards to read…

Happy Holidays to everyone!

Stay safe and warm.

Woke up to frozen water today. For some reason I have a hot water line for my kitchen sink that they run next to the foundation. A hair dryer and about 20 minutes of heating the line from the sink going backwards worked.

Kinda my fault as I have thought about fixing it since we bought this house about a dozen years ago. Maybe this summer.

I am already tired of winter. We are on about day 10 of crap weather. Started out with a few day blizzard and now double digit below zero weather with 25+ mph winds. Looking at a balmy high of -4 today with a nice 25-30 MPH breeze.

Weatherman says by Tuesday we will be back to our normal high 20s temps for this time of year. That will be nice.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Where do you think I am incorrect, with my facts or logic? Ad hominem is always a poor retort.

Over 90 and close to 100 percent of actual scientists know that humans are causing climate change. You will never believe them. You wouldn’t listen to a doctor about the vaccine and you wouldn’t listen to a climate scientist about, you know, the climate.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Where do you think I am incorrect, with my facts or logic? Ad hominem is always a poor retort.

Ad hominem may be a poor retort, but an argument from incredulity isn't exactly dispositive because it makes no attempt to engage with the actual scientific evidence and, to a certain extent, ignores basic math.

Having spent my younger years in the creation vs evolution debate, I am generally loath to engage with science deniers. But, I would point out two things relative to your comment that "it's only 1 or 2 degrees."

First, that is an average temperature over the course of a full year. To use an oversimplified example, the average summer temperature of 25C (77F) and winter temperature of 5C (41F) yields the same annual temperature as 35C (95F) and -5C (23F). To a certain degree, this example can help understand the shift in language from "global warming" to "climate change." While global warming is technically correct since global averages are increasing, the use of climate change more accurately captures that climate is getting more extreme at both ends of the spectrum.

Second, the difference between average temperatures today and at the end of the last ice age is estimated to be 4-5 degrees C, which is also a small number. No big whoop, right?

And to get us back on subject, it is brass monkey weather here in central Oklahoma. The horses are going stir crazy after being stalled for the last 36 hours and they have another 24 hours to go before they get turned out.

[doug.goodman]

I just went out to bring in the trash cans in my bare feet.

I love living in CA.

Doug