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Old 01-04-2006, 12:33 AM
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Posted By: pete

that unless you are selling a "high end" graded card or a "rare" card, that no one is bidding on them until the last day?

i like to watch cards (especially the ones i already have) to see what they are going for and until the last day, there are maybe 2 or 3 bids...are people hoping to get super deals by "not" driving the price up or is it that people just are not buying common or lower graded cards right now?

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competition is heavy for those type of cards. No one wants to tip their hand that they are interested in them. Everyone talks about cards getting sniped at all the time, but no one ever seems to snipe the cards I list. The last one I listed was an SGC50 Delong McManus that went for jsut a little over $100. I'm jsut glad it went to fellow board member, but it still kills me since the card should have gone for over $200. For all the great deals I seem to dig up, I don't seem to get good prices for the cards I sell

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A problem for people who don't bid early is that the seller can raise the minimum bid or pull the auction if there are no bids. If, after 5 days, no one has placed the $5 minimum bid on a $2,000 item, I don't know why the seller wouldn't substantially raise the minmum bid or pull the item. My personal saying as an eBay seller is that I honor all bids, but there have to be bids for me to honor.

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Posted By: Martin Neal

I rarely bid early on an auction unless I am not that interested in acquiring it. It is sort of like bidding on a project that you might be pressed for time to complete. You bid low and if you get it, great, it will be worthwhile to do. The auctions that I would really like to get are the ones I try to bid on within the last 30 seconds. I ALWAYS put in the maximum I am willing to pay for it and then still have time to call myself a liar.

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if a bid is place on an item in the last minute of an auction, the auction ending deadline is automatically extended another 5 minutes. If Ebay was smart, they'd offer that feature for another fee.

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...there is zero, absolutely none, nada, zilch, benefit to a bidder of placing a bid at anytime before 20 seconds are left in the auction. The only person benefited by early bids is the seller -- indeed, sellers on this post are complaining about only late bids on their auctions. If you bid early, (a) you only drive the price of items up by giving bidders an opportunity to eat away at your high proxy bid, and (b) you allow people to track you bidding history, thus leaving yourself open to snipes.

Bumper sticker: Bidders, let's keep prices down -- save your bids 'til the end.

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i agree that waiting until the last minute or so is great as a buyer...but as a seller it sucks, if i list a $200 card with no reserve and there is ZERO action on it when the last day comes around, guess what...i may pull it depending on the number of "watchers". i havent had to do that yet but id start to get nervous that a $200 card may go for $60-70 (as a seller)... as a buyer i am happier than a pig in s***.

at the same time, i sometimes will put a low bid on a card in hopes that the seller wont pull it...

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For some reason, when Im a buyer and I put in a low bid so the card is not pulled, there always seems to be a flury of activity/snipes at the end of the auction.

On the otherhand, as a seller, Ive had a number of nice pre-1930 cards that were bid up early, stalled in the middle, and didnt get a single snipe despite having 10, 20, and sometimes more, watchers.

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Josh, what you just described is what happened to my Delong card. It's $100 a few days in, had a bunch of watchers and then never got another bid. Taht seems to be how all my auctions go

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Regardles of a high, or low end item.
Why would any bidder in their right mind want to get into a Bidders MACHO War 7 days before the finals, and compete against themselves?

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Jay, one word - "bummer", an SGC50 Delong for $100 - somebody's happy (no the seller).

It could just be that time of year. The holiday credit card blues are rolling around. Not to sound like an elitist but collectors (me included) of common low end cards might be dealing with the holiday season plastic paybacks. Wow, I sure wish I saw that Delong for $100...

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Posted By: jay behrens

the card sold about 3 weeks before Christmas, which makes it that much stranger. As I pointed out, I never seem to have much luck with selling my cards. I guess the eBay gods get even that way for all the deals I find.

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I had an SGC 84 1915 Cracker Jack Brooklyn Federal League common and I got $200 for it. 20 watchers and the early bidder won

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For the exact reason as T206 Collector stated, I as a seller(I also buy a lot) may now pull a listing if I see no action at all,within 12 hours of closing,if everyone follows the no bid philosophy,or just sell at BIN. If last minute shoppers buy from us or not, so be it. I will just send my best cards, highest value or obscure issues to some major auction catalog etc and bidders unfortunately will probably end up paying more that way.....

As someone else posted, if e bay was smart, they would only allow bidders that already had bid something to win item in extended time at additional cost to seller(option) as the major auction houses do and for this reason, we will only open good cards that we know will sell anyway at realistic value at low starting bids, for large lots or sets,or obscure very rare items that may or may not go, high minimums or reserves or just send to major auctions and let the good stuff leave e bay...

In my opinion and this is only an opinion...Sniping should not be allowed unless you posted some bid at some time during auction run, this way, the last minute bidders will not force good vendors to flee e bay and eventually all good material will wind up in major auction catalogs only... where the eventual BUYER will pay more because of the additional fees on top of hammer price, e bay is bargain for buyers....I do feel bidders should benefit by finding bargains but there will be less quality and more crap offered if everyone thought to bid last 20 seconds.

However, I do see strategically why T206 collector feels his way and he is right as he stated, it is to bidders advantage, strictly one sided. I promise, I honor bids, whether I win or lose, but this year I will cancel listings up to 12 hours before ending if I feel it is totally one sided, just as bidders may not participate if they feel that they are getting screwed by shilling. It should be a fair deal, both ways.

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Posted By: Joe P.

Maybe you don't mind getting into a Macho Bidding War, 7 days before the finals. ..... I do.
Why compete against myself?

Have two or three (2-3) interested bidders shoot in their maximum bid during the last few seconds.
Highest number WINS!
Simple as that.

If you're a seller and looking for a killer hit, what seller doesn't?

If you want to withdraw the card, go ahead.
There will be buyers that will see where you're coming from and will address your later offerings accordingly.

Then we have the sellers that want to sell.
Believe it or not, there are many, many of the same cards you that you want to sell.
These are not unique Van Gogh's.

If you don't, some one else will sell it.

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don't list the card with a ridiculous minimum, or use a reserve. If you choose to list the card at $5 you have no right to be pissed if it sells for $5. I never bid early on something I want because I don't want to be shilled or tracked.

One disturbing trend I am noticing as a seller is that lots of people track items wihout ever bidding and if they do not sell, they immediately email me lowball offers or "how little will you take" questions. I generally tell these people that if I wanted to sell the card for less than I put down as the minimum, I'd have listed it for less to begin with.

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2 reasons for a low openiing bid: 1. Pay less on ebay listing fees and 2. Hope 2 bidders get into a bidding war making item sell for more than what it would with a higher opening bid.

These are both bad reasons: 1. Is penny wise and pound foolish. 2. Snipe websites make bidding wars unnecessary. I don't think Ebay wants to end sniping, or at least make it more difficult, otherwise, those greedy fee grabbers be doing what Yahoo auctions do with a 5 minute extension if a bid is placed in the last minute.

The people here complaining about not getting a lousy price really got the low end of in a price range (bet they're also forgetting the times where they got way more than expected too).They're listing was for non mainstream issues with commons. Market is thin in such areas, heck, market is also thin for minor HOFers for that matter. You need TWO bidders wanting to pay your expected price if you have a $10 opening bid to skimp on listing fees. Otherwise, if you had only ONE bidder willing to pay TWICE as much as the underbidder, YOU cost yourself that money.

Only 1 ways to handle auctions for the small to mid size seller: list where you get a satisfactory price with ONE bidder, along with a BIN. BIN's used to be free, but .25 fee is still a good deal. Even if you don't get you market paying bidder to go the BIN, you get him to bid to remove the BIN. Finally, accept the fact you will have far less than a 100% sell through on auctions with that strategy. Adjust your price on a relist, if appropriate, using any past sales as a guide. Relists are NO CHARGE when they sell a 2nd time. I see very few people take advantage of relists.

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Good Points made, I will tell you that rare vintage cards are getting exremely scarce, you cannot find stuff at shows and e bay is a source right now, and you are right, they are not van goghs but there are more quality buyers than good sellers with good quality material right now, otherwise you would not see the trend as is.

My point is that it is not a macho game, if you want to snipe which everyone does, great but you will see RARE obscure issues or good higher priced cards being sent only to catalog houses because they protect seller and buyers evenly... will the buyer unfortunately pay more eventually due to the commissions, e bay is a bargain for the buyer.

I am not worried at all that a few hotheads do not want to bid because an item gets withdrawn, the item would only get withdrawn if there are no or extremely few bids so hopefully not everyone will think that sniping is only way to bid. If that was the case, you would see only crap or mid quality items offered and the rarities of the hobby(by the way there are 100's of van gogh's, how many E105 Wagners are there?)WILL not be offered except at BIN or reserve bid or through catalog auction houses. That is my point, period.

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Just a few random comments:

I think most of what's been said here in terms of ebay bidding practices makes sense. Low initial bid just to get rid of BIN/prevent withdrawl, but for the most part wait until the last minute.

I believe that late bidding allows buyers to get cards cheaper. People's "absolute max" is not as absolute as they think. That's why I don't think you should put in your max on day one and forget it. If I put in $50 early, and someone else had mentally been at $45 tops, they could very well decide in those few days to go the extra $6 and I lose the card. Unless I decide to go a few bucks, higher, etc etc. W/last minute bids I'd have gotten it at $50. Without allowing time for the reconsideration, etc, it's like everyone going with their gut feeling.

And as far as the comments about good stuff going to major auction houses - these are pretty much out of my league and I don't know what practices are so I'll ask a question. Do bidders actually pay more because of the buyer's fee? If you want to spend X on a card, do you bid X and get slammed by the bf? Or do you bid X - bf approximately so what you want to bid includes the bf? Does the buyer take the hit, the seller, or do they kind of split it (buyer goes a little higher than X including bf, but not all the way up to X+bf)?

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Delongs are from a fringe set with minimal following. Most of my buying is of what you consider marginal and fringe sets, yet I rarely seems to get good deals on these cards. The deals I get are when cards are misidentified and miscatagorized. It just boggles my mind that I can properly list a card with a good description and yet get little action on my cards.

The market is obviously hot and I always figured that this take care of a low starting price, but I am seriously considering starting my cards at a much higher price from now. If you want a truely fromge collectible, that would be my collection of Banana Splits memorabilia. I know with those items that I need to start with a high minimum becuase I may only get one interested person.

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one thing i do as a bidder on low starting cards is put in the opening bid...lets's say $9.99 knowing that its a $200-$300 card, i know i will get outbid, then come back late in the auction and bid again if it's still in the range i want to pay for that particular card...i'll never put in my max at the beginning unless i'll be out of town on the last day, i've never used a snipe service since there will never be a card that i cant go without...at least one that i can afford.

joann, most auction houses charge roughly 15-20% of the final bid price, so if you have a limit you definitely need to take that into consideration....because that $525 bid just sent you over $600

Jay, Baskin-Robbins (31 flavors) is running a special on Banana Splits right now for $3.95

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I can't imagine any intelligent human being not taking into account the buyer's fee when bidding at a major auction house. I know some people don't...and I don't consider those people intelligent (even if they have gobs of money).

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Larry
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Good Points made, I will tell you that rare vintage cards are getting exremely scarce, you cannot find stuff at shows and e bay is a source right now, and you are right, they are not van goghs but there are more quality buyers than good sellers with good quality material right now, otherwise you would not see the trend as is."
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With all due respect, let's start with the word RARE.
The word Rare has totally lost it's meaning.
The word is equal to the four letter word HYPE.
I know not when you started collecting or investing, but when I started back in the early 1980's, I found myself in a fortunate situation.
I was not just restricted to the great shows of the NYC Metropolitan area, and that included Willow Grove.
I worked for an airline, and that allowed me weekends at Chicago, STL, Dallas, and the West Coast.
So you see, I never had to buy a card from Alan Rosen.
I was always able to get it cheaper from a dealer that wanted to sell the card somewhere else.

Talking about trends.
Have you noticed that sellers are unloading THE Hot cards of a few months ago?
The HOT part of the T207's were created by investors and newbies.

LARRY:
"My point is that it is not a macho game, if you want to snipe which everyone does, great but you will see RARE obscure issues or good higher priced cards being sent only to catalog houses because they protect seller and buyers evenly... will the buyer unfortunately pay more eventually due to the commissions, e bay is a bargain for the buyer."
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Are you saying that you don't see wannabee Macho Fights 7 days before the finals??? ..... what game are you watching?

Tell us something new.
As long as I can remember, the higher ended items generally ended up with the auction houses.

LARRY:
"I am not worried at all that a few hotheads do not want to bid because an item gets withdrawn, the item would only get withdrawn if there are no or extremely few bids so hopefully not everyone will think that sniping is only way to bid. If that was the case, you would see only crap or mid quality items offered and the rarities of the hobby(by the way there are 100's of van gogh's, how many E105 Wagners are there?)WILL not be offered except at BIN or reserve bid or through catalog auction houses. That is my point, period."
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I see.
Because I, or others will not go along with your take away tactics, or MO -- we are Hotheads. --
Larry, just in case you missed it, let me repeat it.

I never bought a card from Alan Rosen - I usually was always able to get it from a dealer that wanted to sell it somewhere else.

As for sniping - I am the sniper - I don't belong to any sniping org.
Because of that, I sometimes mistime the snipe.
You win some - you lose some. BUT LARRY - there's always another Van Gogh.

Speaking of Van Gogh vs the E105 Wagner.

Larry's quote:
"By the way,there are 100's of Van Gogh's, how many E105 Wagners are there?"
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Larry, when you say 100's of Van Gogh's, are you saying?

100's of individual, unique different paintings by Van Gogh?

100's of the same painting by Van Gogh, just as the E105 Wagner?

If you're referring to 100's of the same painting, then we might be talking about something very sticky.
Like forgeries, reprints, slight alterations - Dr. Koos like things.

In other words Larry, can you clarify your point?

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As far as Van Goghs, there are hundreds of different ones, all unique, there are maybe 4-5 E105 Wagners, 2 PSA low grade, one or two SGC different grades and 1 GAI, 5 total...all unique in themselves..near mint, E103 Cobb near mint, N142 Duke Delehanty etc.. would you consider that rare or work of art?, I will not be debating rarity, it is supply vs demand...period. I personally rather have the van gogh also...but someone else may feel the E105 or E103 Cobb or N142 Delahanty
is their personal art treasure and you do not see those cards often anywhere, they are unique in each grade.

We offer great cards, good cards and mediocre cards, and also collect....the great ones have been offered on e bay many times by many great vendors, if everyone thought like you, many vendors, not just myself would say forget e bay, we will get more money in catalogs and if you wanted card, you pay twice, seller and consignment house, that was the point. And without Vendors, collectors would virtually have no supply...and without good collectors, vendors would have no income in this field.

This is final post, you can do whatever you want, your strategy works for you but my strategy works well, good service and quality material always gets loyal customers....we have mailing list of 11,000 collectors, over 4000 different in the vintage category, perfect feedback...we will be fine. If we see the trend is that everyone holds their bid back,that probably will not happen, we will pull listing if we feel it does not get action, or just list in BIN category... that is not what we want to do but for every action there is a reaction, if you do not want to bid, we will scratch you off list and wish you best of luck.

If e bay offers extented bidding option , it would be great for bidders as well as sellers this way a legit bidder will not get swiped without a chance.

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I don't even know who the hell you are?

All we know of you is:

If we don't go along with your "Take Away Plan" - We're Hotheads.

If we don't bid early - We're Scratched from THE List.

Do me a favor Larry.
I have no idea who you represent, nor what great post war list you're talking about, BUT if I'm on it - Please take me OFF IT NOW!

Let me repeat it for you one more time.

In the beginning, as a collector, I went to more shows around the country than Alan Rosen.

Although he wasn't, he started to give me an impression that he was following me around.

Alan is a great huckster, but I never bought a card from him.

Some cards may be scarce, but they're not as unique as some of you investors and sellers want to believe.

Getting the card that fills a slot is the true collectors fun and joy.

Patience is rewarding in many different ways.
The card that one needs may just be around the corner.
By a seller that WANTS to sell.







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Joe P.

Wow! Larry is far from a newbie. He is very experienced dealer dating back to the 70's. He is one of the most fair and honest dealers in the country.

You are way off base with this attack. Its amazing how people will attack others over the internet with no knowledge of the facts.

You owe Larry an apology.


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Posted By: Bruce Babcock

I agree with T206 Collector that there is no reason to bid before the last seconds of an ebay auction.

IF, however, if ebay used sensible posted auction increments like Mastro or any other legitimate auction house, then it wouldn't matter when you bid. For example, 10% increments, 5% over $10,000. Or, gradually decreasing increments such as 100,200,300,400,500,550,600,650,700,750,800,850,90 0,950,1000,1025,1050 etc.

If I bid $5000 for an item where the increment is 10%, another bidder would have to go $5500 to top me, and I would have to go to $6050 to top him. So if you figure out that you're willing to pay $5000 but not $6050, you place a ceiling bid weeks ahead of time for $5000 and forget about it, knowing that you can't lose a $5000 lot to some guy who bids $5050. If you suddenly come into money or otherwise change your mind, you can still go to $6050 if you are topped.

The same thing obviously applies to cheaper lots. If I bid $50 the next bidder should have to go to $55, leaving me the option of going to $60.50. I think most of us, if we are willing to go to $50 would be willing to pay $51, but if you set a ceiling of $51, some other guy bids $52. I've lost a zillion lots by $1. Once, by 1 cent, thanks to ebay's convoluted ways.

That is what happens when auction sites are designed by Pez dispenser collectors.

If you are bidding in an art auction and a lot is closing at $4 million, and the auctioneer says "The bid is $4 million, to the lady in the front row, do I hear $4.1 million? No? All done at $4 million? Going once, going twice . . . if you suddenly stand up and yell "$4 million and one dollars!" not only will you not win the lot, you will probably be thrown out of the building.

Just my opinion, but I feel better for having vented!

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Charlie Barokas
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Joe P.

"Wow! Larry is far from a newbie. He is very experienced dealer dating back to the 70's. He is one of the most fair and honest dealers in the country.

You are way off base with this attack. Its amazing how people will attack others over the internet with no knowledge of the facts.

You owe Larry an apology."
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Mr. Barokas, before you utter a sound, you should read and comprehend his post carefully.

Larry, whoever he is, may be fair and honest, but these are his words:

"I am not worried at all that a few hotheads do not want to bid because an item gets withdrawn."

In other words, simply stated for Mr. Barokas.

If one does not go along, or accepts Larry's "Take Away Plan" - that person is a Hothead.
Comon Charlie, get it right - Does that sound like I'm attacking him?

Here's another one:
Larry's words:

"if you do not want to bid, we will scratch you off list and wish you best of luck."
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Who's talking about not wanting to bid?

We're talking about bidding late, and not getting into a Bidding Macho War 7 days before the end of an auction.

It is fully understandable for Larry the fair and honest seller to want any kind of a Macho Fight from the Getgo.

If you do it that way, Larry will put you at the TOP of the LIST instead of scratching you OFF it.

Comon Charlie, don't be a Hothead.
I'll accept yours and Larry's apology anytime you want to give it.


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Can't we all just get along?

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I knew utopia couldn't last....sure has been nice the last few weeks though....could we like replicate that or something ?

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Joe P - I think you've got it wrong here. Everyone now knows that you dont want to be macho. Frankly, from a buyer's perspective, I completely agree with you that bidding in the last seconds is much more advantageous. However, you seem to want to discount/disparage anyone who has an opinion or perspective different than your own. Larry is obviously a seller and has a different perspective than you. Doesnt make it wrong. In fact, when I sell cards that I no longer want, I too hope for numerous opening bids. I have also had enough of my auctions end for much lower than I had hoped/expected due to snipes that I have simply started to put high opening bids or reserves on my auctions. Without those, I would consider doing the same thing as other sellers are discussing - removing any auction w/o bids on the last day.

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Josh,

Ahh, a voice of reason and accuracy. Buyers and sellers each have a right to obtain a favorable outcome from an auction.

Out of respect to Leon, I will not respond to the "Hotheads" last post, but I have to defend good people and Larry Gladstone is very good people and an a very fine dealer as well.

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Hi...I am quite amused that this became so contraversal, thank you to those that understand how simple my point was and it is a fact, if you feel like sniping, go ahead, dealers will do what they have to so they can stay in businessn and reputable dealers who also collect want to see the same legit playing field as do collectors as want to be treated similarly.

My final point, nothing personal, we do not need people that use the forum to make personal attacks, this is not a personal attack anyone here, merely a realistic and definately well established fact,
If everyone stopped bidding until last 10 seconds, no one would offer very good cards at .99 minimums and great vintage cards "works of art" would vanish from ebay unless it was BIN or Reserve auctions and eventually the cards would actually be less available to the real collector.

As far as my 30+ years experience and integrity, I will not waste my energy addressing that, it is not a big deal, I know I deal and collect respectfully. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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Larry, no one ever questioned your fairness or integrity, I hardly know you.
As for longevity in the hobby, my first contact with the 1941 Play Balls was in 1941 at the age of ten.
I use to flip them.
Flip as in flip, and not as in sell.

Sir, I understand your sellers point of view very well, and would I be a seller, I more than likely would feel the same way.
So all the nonsense by some of the others that say that I don't understand or agree with you, is just that - NONSENSE.

Larry, if you go back and re-read the thread, -- I wasn't the one that originated an attack by using the word Hotheads.
If you're any kind of a fairminded and honest man, at least own up to that.

Read this, I think you will find it interesting.
It's about two late bids, and Jay Miller shares the stage at the OK Corral.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1125366912/Is+T-209+the+new+hot+set-

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Edited to stay out of it.

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August 29 2005 at 10:16 PM Tim Newcomb (Login timn1)


Response to Is T-209 the new hot set?

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"Two people WERE willing to bid over $700 for the card, which is pretty amazing.

The third-high bidder was at $76, which is actually pretty remarkable too for a card in this condition. Forget about $700: even at $75 per beat-up common, T209 certainly appears to me to be a "hot set." The days of buyin' em for $10-15 are over."
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Please allow me, (Joe P.) to give my take without anyone considering it an attack.
First of all, it wasn't I that called an opposing thought a Hothead, and had I been proven guilty of it, I would have acted in a standup, fair, honest way and owned up to it. Nuf Sed.

Ladies and Gentlemen,
I am a set collector, been one for a long time.
If a set is missing a known card, it is an incomplete set.
Why?
Because I know that the card exist and there is no way that I can convince myself that it doesn't.

I have 219 of the 226 known to me.
I needed that card. (set collectors will know what I mean.)

Tim Newcomb's keen observation:
"The third-high bidder was at $76, which is actually pretty remarkable too for a card in this condition. Forget about $700:"
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$76.00 was one of the last few seconds bidders.
Now let's consider the above FACTS.

For the sake of discussion only.

If Larry was the seller of the above card, and he decided to apply his "TAKE AWAY PLAN" because of low bids.
He would have missed out on THE JOYS OF LIVING.

Joe P.






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Good Point except for every 1 of these situations, there is 4 where you will not have two people bid up a card to unnatural levels...plus T209 is not one of the items I am referring to since none of them I would consider "work of art" or top shelf rarities...I was and still refer to "museum quality" four to five figure cards...and the "hothead" comment referred to your comment that bidders that see someone pull listing will not bid on that user id...If someone is that touchy where they cannot see the dealer's point of view to some extent, and that if EVERYONE followed sniping and no one even began bidding, it would be ridiculous to list HIGHER QUALITY CARDS...ex E103 Cobb, T227 Cobb, E90-1 Young etc...not common T209's which are consistant "hot" cards...If a T209 Jackson was available on e bay, that would be one that i would not allow to wait until end....for anyone to bid or would be reserved.

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Larry:
"Good Point except for every 1 of these situations, there is 4 where you will not have two people bid up a card to unnatural levels..."
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You are missing, or not accepting the facts of that thread.
Where do you see two bidders bidding up a card?
They were last seconds bids, including the $76.00 bid.
Perfect for your Take Away Plan.


Larry:
"plus T209 is not one of the items I am referring to since none of them I would consider "work of art" or top shelf rarities..."
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Are you saying sir, that photographs should never be considered as works of art?

Larry:
"I was and still refer to "museum quality" four to five figure cards.."
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Like the Doyle Error?

Larry:
"and the "hothead" comment referred to your comment that bidders that see someone pull listing will not bid on that user id."
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Why should I waste my time on a rigged auction?

Larry:
"If someone is that touchy where they cannot see the dealer's point of view to some extent,"
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Sir, you have yet to convince me, or possibly any other bidder that thinks like me to bid as soon as an item hits the auction floor.
You're the one that's insisting that it's your way, or the doorway.
You want an absolute sure win. .... nothing wrong with that.
STAY AWAY from VEGAS. ...

Larry:
"and that if EVERYONE followed sniping and no one even began bidding, it would be ridiculous to list HIGHER QUALITY CARDS..."
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Does that mean that you're not listing the Doyle Error card?
Wouldn't that be an interesting shootout at the OK Corral?

Larry:
"If a T209 Jackson was available on e bay, that would be one that i would not allow to wait until end....for anyone to bid or would be reserved."
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Sir, you're fair and honest as far as I know, but you keep exposing your lack of knowledge of the T209 Type II set.

There are two known Jackson's in the set.

Unfortunately, they are not of Joe Jackson, but if you have one, please let the collecting world know. .... you might find some interest.

May all your sales be of UNDREAMED OF PRICES.

Joe P.

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