The 2018 Dinger Whiff Derby Winner - Jose Ramirez 76

[frankbmd]

If you consider pitchers with basically the same rules with the signs reversed, the Dinger Whiff Number becomes a zero sum game. Pitchers would get +1 for a K and -4 for homerun allowed or a gopher ball.

By checking a couple pitchers, Walter and Randy (not your average Johnsons), we find that both dead ball Walter and modern Randy both had career Dinger Whiff Numbers over 3000. No batter has reached 2000.

Makes sense as there are many pitchers who strike out a lot of hitters that don’t hit many home runs. Therefore pitching criteria for the Dinger Whiff Hall of Fame have not been determined. If one wanted to find the tenth best pitcher in Dinger whiffs, his number would be comparable to 1000 for the batters considered Hall of Famers. I’m sure ‘stache could determine the tenth best pitcher faster than I, so I will wait for him to wake up.

And Paul, except for the deadlines in Rule #4, you can enter to your heart’s content. Sanchez and Gregorius may well be better choices than Judge and Stanton when all is said and done.

[ullmandds]

I will enter my predictions in due time but for now I predict both judge and Stanton will make the Hall of Fame...With the Prerequisite that each please 15 seasons. Problem is Frank you have to live long enough to see this happen!

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I will enter my predictions in due time but for now I predict both judge and Stanton will make the Hall of Fame...With the Prerequisite that each please 15 seasons. Problem is Frank you have to live long enough to see this happen!

Peter, if they play 15 seasons with 200 strikeouts each per season, a plausible prediction, they would need 1000 home runs each to qualify for the Dinger Whiff Hall of Fame.

Call me crazy, but I doubt that either of them will make it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

If you consider pitchers with basically the same rules with the signs reversed, the Dinger Whiff Number becomes a zero sum game. Pitchers would get +1 for a K and -4 for homerun allowed or a gopher ball.

By checking a couple pitchers, Walter and Randy (not your average Johnsons), we find that both dead ball Walter and modern Randy both had career Dinger Whiff Numbers over 3000. No batter has reached 2000.

Makes sense as there are many pitchers who strike out a lot of hitters that don’t hit many home runs. Therefore pitching criteria for the Dinger Whiff Hall of Fame have not been determined. If one wanted to find the tenth best pitcher in Dinger whiffs, his number would be comparable to 1000 for the batters considered Hall of Famers. I’m sure ‘stache could determine the tenth best pitcher faster than I, so I will wait for him to wake up.

And Paul, except for the deadlines in Rule #4, you can enter to your heart’s content. Sanchez and Gregorius may well be better choices than Judge and Stanton when all is said and done.

Nolan Ryan is probably over 4000.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nolan Ryan is probably over 4000.

4430 for Ryan. Peter, your speculative post wasn’t that hard to verify. Do your homework.

Back in the fifties with roughly 4-5 Ks and 1 HR per game per team, the batters and pitchers would be more balanced.

In the dead ball era, the pitchers would prosper due to the paucity of dingers.

In the current game compared to the 50s, Dingers are up a bit, but whiffs have doubled, once again to the advantage of the pitchers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

4430 for Ryan. Peter, your speculative post wasn’t that hard to verify. Do your homework.

Back in the fifties with roughly 4-5 Ks and 1 HR per game per team, the batters and pitchers would be more balanced.

In the dead ball era, the pitchers would prosper due to the paucity of dingers.

In the current game compared to the 50s, Dingers are up a bit, but whiffs have doubled, once again to the advantage of the pitchers.

The point, Herr Doktor, was why are you going on about two guys with 3000 when there is a guy over 4000.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Joe D. struck out 369 times in his career. One of the more remarkable stats ever IMO.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

If you consider pitchers with basically the same rules with the signs reversed, the Dinger Whiff Number becomes a zero sum game. Pitchers would get +1 for a K and -4 for homerun allowed or a gopher ball.

By checking a couple pitchers, Walter and Randy (not your average Johnsons), we find that both dead ball Walter and modern Randy both had career Dinger Whiff Numbers over 3000. No batter has reached 2000.

Makes sense as there are many pitchers who strike out a lot of hitters that don’t hit many home runs. Therefore pitching criteria for the Dinger Whiff Hall of Fame have not been determined. If one wanted to find the tenth best pitcher in Dinger whiffs, his number would be comparable to 1000 for the batters considered Hall of Famers. I’m sure ‘stache could determine the tenth best pitcher faster than I, so I will wait for him to wake up.

And Paul, except for the deadlines in Rule #4, you can enter to your heart’s content. Sanchez and Gregorius may well be better choices than Judge and Stanton when all is said and done.

Currently with 18 pitching strike outs and 1 HR allowed, Ohtani has a PDW number (Pitching Dinger Whiff number) of 14. Combined with his BDW number would give him an overall Dinger Whiff number of 19.

As mentioned though in the modern game Pitching DWs tend to be strongly positive and Batting DWs tend to be strongly negative. Combining the two for an individual player is not fair, since Ohtani is the only player who would benefit. However as the season progresses, a pitching DW number list may be added.

[gopherfan]

As a Twins fan, I think Sano could have one of the most negative DW numbers this year. Currently at -10. 3 HR and 22 K's.

I was thinking that Dozier could have one of the higher positive numbers. Lots of cancellations, but he is at 9 so far. 4 HR and 7 K's.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Currently with 18 pitching strike outs and 1 HR allowed, Ohtani has a PDW number (Pitching Dinger Whiff number) of 14. Combined with his BDW number would give him an overall Dinger Whiff number of 19.

As mentioned though in the modern game Pitching DWs tend to be strongly positive and Batting DWs tend to be strongly negative. Combining the two for an individual player is not fair, since Ohtani is the only player who would benefit. However as the season progresses, a pitching DW number list may be added.

There isn't that much variation in how many HRs pitchers give up I don't think so it's not all that meaningful in my opinion, just going to tell you who the strikeout leaders are for the most part.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There isn't that much variation in how many HRs pitchers give up I don't think so it's not all that meaningful in my opinion, just going to tell you who the strikeout leaders are for the most part.

Your words would comfort Robin Roberts, who yielded 505 dingers, leading the league four years in a row.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Make a list of the top 10 all time in Ks and dinger/whiffs. I bet they are quite close. Which would not be true at all for batters comparing HRs to dinger/whiffs.

[frankbmd]

Where’s my fly swatter?

[frankbmd]

Not Stanton
Not Judge
Just Didi

And a shout out to Cespedes with his 39 whiffs so far.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Make a list of the top 10 all time in Ks and dinger/whiffs. I bet they are quite close. Which would not be true at all for batters comparing HRs to dinger/whiffs.

Blyleven is very high on career K and HR allowed lists Bet his dinger whiff ranking is considerably worse than his K ranking

EDIT: His DW is under 2k

EDIT #2: Blyleven is 5th on all time K list

4th is Carlton with a DW of 2480

6th is Seaver with a DW of 2120

So Blyleven at least moves down some from his K ranking

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Blyleven is very high on career K and HR allowed lists Bet his dinger whiff ranking is considerably worse than his K ranking

EDIT: His DW is under 2k

EDIT #2: Blyleven is 5th on all time K list

4th is Carlton with a DW of 2480

6th is Seaver with a DW of 2120

So Blyleven at least moves down some from his K ranking

Remember that Dinger Whiff is a zero sum game for pitchers and batters.

For every Moncado out there, there is a pitcher with a healthy Dinger Whiff Number.