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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: Bob
I have a question for the group. Has anyone ever had any experience with cards won through Leland's Auction which appeared to be trimmed or altered? I am asking because one lot I won last night consisted of a terrifically undergraded E95 Wagner in an SGC holder, and two non-graded cards, an E98 Cobb and an E95 Plank. Both look sharp but I was a little worried when I studied the webpage today when I printed it off that the borders might be a tad narrow. It could be just the scans, or these old eyes, or whatever, but it got me thinking and I checked (should have done this first) and Leland's has one of those "absolutely no returns for any reason, screw you" policies. The Cobb and Plank scans were awfully small and a little fuzzy. Makes you wonder. Oh well, I'm keeping my fingers crossed and by the way they don't take credit cards, so that option is out, vis a vis a return and call to the credit card company etc. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: jay behrens
Personally, I wouldn't trust Josh Evans as far as I could throw him. And that's probably being too generous. Josh is right there in the Al Rsoen league of dealers I dislike the most. But everyone else's milage may vary. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: Julie Vognar
Won a beautiful 2nd generation close-up of Joe Jackson's face--no thanks to Lelands! THEY said the "C" in his cap meant he was with Chicago, and that because George Brace's stamp, (including the 2-number Chicago zip code) was on the back, it was a "Brace photo." George Brace, who recently died in his 80s, was a bit young for phptography in 1913 when it seems to me the photo was taken, but as we all know, he and his partner (a much older man) George Burke, tried to get photos of everyone who played in Chicago, and they also collected and printed the photos of others. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: jay behrens
Was he trying to pass Joe Jax sigs by sister as ones that were actually signed by Joe? He's tried pulling that stunt before, knowing full well his sister signed it. It toatally amazes me that he is able to stay in business with all the crap he pulls. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: David
Bob, I won my first item in a Leland's auction, so, like you, I will wait to see the results. The item I won was not condition sensitive and certainly not trimmable, so I don't have worries on your order. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: Jeff Obermeyer
I have only made one purchase from Joshua, and it was a B18 Joe Jackson that I got through an SCD ad about 10 years ago. It was every bit as nice as it was described, and I was happy with the transaction. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: jay behrens
My first few experiences with Josh were very good, but then they went down hill rapidly from there. Getting screwed a big sale tends to that. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: David
Jay, let's start with an easier question: Who do you like? |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: David
Just teasing. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: jay behrens
Actually, I like most dealers. The only dealers I truely detest are Evans, Rosen, Galovich and any dealer that sits behind his table thinking he knows more than people looking at his cards asking him questions, or dealers that assume that just becuase I look like a biker/punk rocker that I have no clue what I am talking about. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: Julie Vognar
about Lelands are true, he's really bad news. Who do I dislike? Rosen, except for the gem mint 1915 Cracker Jack Brown, ungraded, I won from him for $800...it's in the best condition of all my cards. His auctions are a horror beyond imagining! Yanks the phone lines at 1 A.M. (ET)--no ten-minute rule.. No call backs. (This guy has a full page, usually the cover! ad in SCD EVERY WEEK, but pleads poverty--he can't afford to put in enough lines or hire enough help to sit around all night waiting for the phone to ring every ten minutes, or call you back if you've been outbid...)Then the next day, you're sitting there with your non-collecting other half, and he calls you! All winners! Everywhere! And tells you what you've won, and how much it will cost, and whether he;s "Mint" or "Rosen." (Fortunately, Bob thinks all my phone conversations are boring, so he didn't notice when I asked "So what's the total damage?" "Mint or Rosen?") |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: Bob
I am keeping my ruler ready when the cards come in and we'll see. I know the caramel cards have a little bit of tolerance in sizes... |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: Tom
many times. You will very seldom find cards of high quality in their auctions. I've bought Cameo Pepsin pins and PM1 pins and a couple of lots of autographed cards in their auctions going back 5-6 years. They ship promptly and are relatively easy to deal with. Their new internet format works relatively well too. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: James
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: Lee Behrens
You would think the people paying that kind of money would have a clue what they are buying. I didn't even need to enlarge, they even clipped the corners. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: runscott
James - you are entirely correct. Even if they were Am. Beautys, they are still too short. Whoever bought these took a bath. Also, you can't buy cards like this that are described as "Young Glove Shows (paper loss on verso, o/w NM-MT" AND they are trimmed AND the seller doesn't respond to questions. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: Tom
they rarely have good cards in their auctions. When they do, they don't seem to be terribly knowledgeable about them. They seem to concentrate heavily on the memorabilia side of things. That said, when they do have decent cards you can often get a decent deal on them but you gotta watch out for things like what James saw here.......they are definitely trimmed..... |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: Julie Vognar
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: runscott
and stick to stuff that they can accurately describe. This would be like me selling naked, shaved Barbie dolls and describing them as "NM, except missing some of the clothing". |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: Tom B
is you're NOT going to sell your naked shaved Barbie Dolls? |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: runscott
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: warshawlaw
Quite some time ago (March 26, 1999, lot 981, to be precise) I picked up a huge lot of boxing cards from them. The cards were listed in one of their infamous grab-bag lots as random assortments of several sets, including T218, T220 and 1948 Leaf cards. The counts on the cards sounded like complete sets or near sets, but the lot was just listed as groupings of cards with virtually no description. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: leon
I wasn't really going to chime in but figured what the heck. I met young a guy (maybe 25) at the the last National who has the title of "Director of Sports Cards Division" on his card I have in front of me right now. He had only been with them for a few weeks or a month when I met him. He seems real eager to do good and real motivated. Unfortunately he has about 10% of the experience even I have on pre-war stuff Gonna take some time there. He was wanting me to introduce him to the few folks I know but it never quite happened. Real nice kid but just a novice.....maybe they will get better....although, isn't Lelands the one that just had the same ole Matty in a PRO holder for sale in their last auction....that really gives me less than NO confidence...regards all (BTW, he did show up at my hotel room late one night with about 5 other kids and we partied like it was 1999 ) regards all |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: runscott
Everyone wants a piece of the pie, but no one wants to do their homework to get ready, or to pay for the expertise required to run a vintage business. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: David
While not dismissing anyone else's claims, in their last auction, Leland's has a number of rare and 'high end' prints that fall within in my personal area of expertice. I was impressed by their detailed knowledge of the subject and supply of relevant but esoteric detail. I've never actually received anything from them, and the proof is in the putting not in the auction catalog ... MastroNet is a great place-- I've always been happy with my winnings and the customer service is strong--, but I find areas of ignorance in the prints/photographs area. This may be okay when you're auctioning 1953 Topps and T206 cards, but I suspect that it will eventually will bite them in the rear in their Americana Auctions. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: Bob
I am going to withhold judgment on Leland's until I receive my cards. I agree with what Pete told me, that for a large auction house they sure used a small and fuzzy scan of an E98 Cobb and E95 Plank while showing the graded E95 Wagner at about double or three times the size. Maybe that should have been a red flag, but I have been after an EX or better Cobb for a long time and I'll live with a little paper loss on the verso for a reasonable price. I compared the borders (what I could tell) on the E98 Cobb to the E98 Cobb in Mastro (graded G/VG) and the borders were very similar, so I'll keep my fingers crossed. |
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Leland Auctions- question for group
Posted By: David
While what I earlier said was and is accurate, I don't wish to come across as unduly critical of MastroNet. Several people at MastroNet have been kind and helpful to me, including Doug Allen, Rob Lifson and Kevin Struss. |
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