FS: Wagner PSA Authentic

[atx840]

Any guesses what this might go for?

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...&lotIdNo=47001

[iwantitiwinit]

What the heck is that, is that another fabricated card like the recent sale in the REA auction? Yellowish background looks like they used a crayon to color it in. Do you think PSA will grade a hand drawing I make of Honus. This is getting ridiculous.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

What the heck is that, is that another fabricated card like the recent sale in the REA auction? Yellowish background looks like they used a crayon to color it in. Do you think PSA will grade a hand drawing I make of Honus. This is getting ridiculous.

Yes, it does look re-colored. That's probably why PSA graded it "AUTHENTIC" instead of with a numerical grade. I'm not sure I get your point.

[sreader3]

The factory designation on the back looks more compressed than on a typical T206. Maybe just a function of the scanner ???

After supersizing the scan the factory designation looks okay to me. Never mind.

[sb1]

Nicer than the cut off border card it will bring well over $200K, perhaps even 300. The scans in the holder do it much more justice than the close ups. The orange background has some rub which makes it look mottled.

[t206hound]

I guess that answers my question from the previous restoration... unrestoring a restored card doesn't negate the alteration...

"Our consignor purchased this card in a restored state, with coloring to minimize the appearance of creases and paper added to enhance the corners. Preferring an unaltered representation, the new owner took immediate steps to return the card to its original condition, commissioning an expert to undo these modern contrivances. Admittedly small portions of the added color in the orange background remain, but the return to original state is as complete as possible. And when considering the magnificent visual appeal that existed before restoration was first undertaken, one wonders why anybody would have proceeded. This is unquestionably one of the prettiest Wagners that exists."

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

What the heck is that, is that another fabricated card like the recent sale in the REA auction? Yellowish background looks like they used a crayon to color it in. Do you think PSA will grade a hand drawing I make of Honus. This is getting ridiculous.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by t206hound

I guess that answers my question from the previous restoration... unrestoring a restored card doesn't negate the alteration...

"Our consignor purchased this card in a restored state, with coloring to minimize the appearance of creases and paper added to enhance the corners. Preferring an unaltered representation, the new owner took immediate steps to return the card to its original condition, commissioning an expert to undo these modern contrivances. Admittedly small portions of the added color in the orange background remain, but the return to original state is as complete as possible. And when considering the magnificent visual appeal that existed before restoration was first undertaken, one wonders why anybody would have proceeded. This is unquestionably one of the prettiest Wagners that exists."

If they could have "unrestored" it 100% I believe it still could have gotten a numerical grade IF the original example would have warranted it.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Leon

If they could have "unrestored" it 100% I believe it still could have gotten a numerical grade IF the original example would have warranted it.

Leon,
Who could do "unrestored" and not show it to be like a "frankenwagner"?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Leon,
Who could do "unrestored" and not show it to be like a "frankenwagner"?

Graphic Conservation in Chicago.

[vargha]

HA allows people to view cards, right? I should take my son down to see it.

[bh3443]

In 1979 I had the 206 set complete minus the big 3. As anxious as I was to get a Wagner, I would not have bought a restored one. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with having a restored card, but for me I'd prefer a dozen creases and rounded corners to a touched up one.
I was confident in 1979 that I'd finish my set by buying a Wagner, Plank & Magie for around $ 25,000. I was wrong! I never owned those players in a 206, but I felt comfort in buying other cards of them from other sets!
Restored cards are not my cup of tea. I do strongly encourage EVERYONE to collect what they like. It's YOUR hobby and you should enjoy it your way!
Regards,
Bill Hedin

[fkw]

I havent read any replies yet.... so dont know if any mentioned yet...
For those that dont know this is the card that was previously restored, then the restoration was reversed. Ive had scans of it for a while now.
For that reason, I would rank it above the other restored/altered examples out there.

[fkw]

PS if anyone has the "before" pics (with restoration) I would love to see them

[atx840]

Quick and dirty comparison of the two restored Wagners (bottom is the one listed)

[E93]

I would much rather have this one than the one with sides and back added. I think Scott's estimate is about right. I would say 250-325k.
JimB

[ls7plus]

$225,000. Inroads being made by restored items are slow, but steady. This trend will continue to grow.

Best wishes,

Larry

[esd10]

with the economy the way it is i dont see it bringing no more 150k

[toledo_mudhen]

I have $5000 I'm not doing anything with...(just sayin)