Just So in last Mastro- issue

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Posted By: leon

Hey Folks,
A good friend of mine bought this Just So in the last Mastro. From the internet scan (lot 929) and the catalogue, the card looks fine. The problem is that when he got it there are big print lines/scratches in the card. It is very obvious in person, and here, and very distracting too.....The questions are ....what would you do if it happened to you? and ....should there be any recourse? There was no mention of the "scratches" in the auction description...thanks yall......

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Posted By: Hankron

From your description, it sounds as if the lines are a part of the original printing and not actual scratches to the card itself. In other words it was a design problem not a condition problem. Correct?

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Posted By: Hankron

Unless the problem is apparent in the image provided or if that type of problem to the card/issue is common knowledge in the hobby (for example, it's common knowledge that T206s often have colors that aren't perfectly aligned or that the 1949 Leafs have printing problems), the scratches should have been mentioned. I don't think all minor blips and dots have to be detailed, but a mark across the player's face should, especially when involving that kind of dough.

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Posted By: leon

Since it got a 60 my thinking is that you are correct...that it was part of the printing process....regards

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Posted By: julie

Just because some idiot grading company chose to ignore the scratches in the negative--or wherever--is no excuse for Mastro to hide them in presenting the card! Your friend was robbed! False representation!

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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman

This is the same Just So Cuppy that was sold on Sloate & Smolin's Jan 1998 auction.

The description back then:

Lot#2

"...The Cuppy card is well-centered,crease free, and grades a solid ex-plus, with a fine diagonal print line."

BTW, This is George Cuppy only known card issue.

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Posted By: julie

but the creases should be acknowledged. The Just So Burkett doesn't change hands without the understanding that it's trimmed!

Grr. mad.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Julie, it's not a crease, but apparently a scratch on the negative that produced the picture.

Jay

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Posted By: runscott

wouldn't a scratch on the negative result in a dark line, rather than a white one?

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Posted By: julie

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Posted By: BcD

the two left side corners would sure classify it as a 50 if they were found on typical sized 'E" cards!

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Posted By: Hankron

I'm not about to be dropping $10,000 on a baseball card, or any kind of memorabilia for that matter, but the Just So's do have a sharp, photo-like image that you don't find on other 19th century baseball cards, at least printed cards. Even with the marks, this card offers a crisp-as-a-new-dollar-bill portrait. The Just So's are a one of a kind 19th century set.

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Posted By: JC

I'm curious to see what Mastro is going to do about it... You can't see the print line/scratch in the Mastro catalog or E-net photo...

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Posted By: Jay Miller

Those scratches really detract from the appearance of the card.

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Posted By: botn

Neither the scan nor the description indicate that those scratches were present on the card, which is very misleading. Your friend has every right to be upset. Sadly, I doubt that Mastronet will do anything about it since they will claim that 1) card is professionally graded and 2) there are no returns.

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Posted By: leon

I don't think either of those will be the answer they give. With all due respect I believe they will know the mistake and make it right. We'll see.....but I have complete confidence in Bill, Doug, and the gang over there.....this will be made right, I am sure.....best regards

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Posted By: Charlie

I hear nothing but good things from Mastro, so I'm sure they'll make it right too.

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Posted By: botn

but I have a good friend who was a frequent submitter to Mastronet and good for $75,000 to $100,000 in bids every auction, winning about 10-20%. He won an expensive piece of memorabilia that was not discribed properly. He bought it to their attention and they would not make it "right". As a result they lost a consignor and a bidder in the process.

I hope that this situation has a different result.

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Posted By: julie

..and i hope poster who mentioned Barry Sloate as someone else who had failed to mention the scratches was not saying, if Barry can do it, anyone can. Barry's been known to make "mistakes."

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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman

Julie, When I posted the Sloate & Smolin lot description, it wasn't to show that they made a mistake.
It was just a way to show how auction houses can have similar or different views on same items.

I can't speak about Mastro, but Barry S. is a great guy and a true asset to the hobby.
Hope more hobby guys could be as helpful as he is.
Always have the time to discuss and help on obscure items.

I really don't care if those are scratches or print lines on the Just So Cuppy... Thought it was interesting for others to read what was said about the card back in 1998.

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Posted By: JC

I think both Bill and Barry are true Pioneers and visionarys of the hobby. I would be shocked if either one of them did not take care of their customers.. Just my opinion.

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Posted By: Charlie

I would hope they would take the card back. The scan does not show any scratches at all. If I paid that kind of money and got no refund I'd be pretty pissed...as anybody would.