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I was a full time dealer back then and remember breaking 600 sets of those things. I found one Bonds error in 600 sets. But here's the thing - the set also had the regular variation too, and the regular one was in the proper sequence (sorting these sets was easy - they were always in the same order.)
So, my assumption was that it was intentional, and every so often one was added to a factory set just to create hype and spur sales - which it did. |
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Very interesting, this was well before any error craze as well. Ive never heard this.
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Errors were pretty hot in 81-82. Fleer and Donruss had ongoing problems getting things right. Then later Fleer had what I believe were shenanigans with a pressman drawing a few pointing hands mostly on the backs. Tons of variations and they were popular for a while.
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On the 1982 printing error increase I suspect it had to do with having to print more cards and quicker with less quality control. The hobby growth was there in 1982 and more cards were being produced each year. Plus, that was really the 1st full year of competition. I do realize there were 3 major companies in 1981 but they had limited time to produce sets; 1982 was going to be their year to really challenge Topps. The result; and this is my opinion only Topps still had the best set with a nice design. Other than a couple of minor errors which were corrected and those printing errors; a very solid year Fleer: A terribly produced 2nd set. Look at the Jack Clark card for example of how not to select photos. They did reduce their errors by a ton. Donruss: A far better card stock and photos than 1981. Again the errors were more limited compared to the rush of the previous year. White it is possible some of the 1981 errors were "planned" it tis also possible the rushed prep of the 1981 sets caused some of those errors as well. Regards Rich
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If I remember correctly, the Barry Bonds Opening Day error was on the Johnny Ray card and not the actual Barry Bonds. I ordered 4 sets on ebay back in 2006 I believe and went through them looking at the Barry Bonds card and no error. Then i decided to check out the Johnny Ray card and one of the sets had the jackpot. Sent to PSA and got a 9. Lucky as hell.
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There would have had to be hype over the card at the time the set was first released, presumably in spring of 1987. If Bonds fizzled out as a player, there wouldn't be any reason to chase the card by the time the collecting world became widely aware of the error. It could only have been a hot card a few years into Bonds' career, I would think. @Mark17 Do you remember what year you busted 600? Did you bust to create inventory or because you were chasing the error? Do you remember how long after the set was released that it became the set with a lottery ticket inside? I want to track down a few more folks who pulled the error themselves to corroborate this experience. It could've been a fluke. @dariushou's recollection suggests maybe it was. I'm also curious about @HasselhoffsCheeseburger's question: are #162 and #163 found in different "stacks?" Quote:
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I do not recall if there was a corrected Ray card in the set that included my error. I suspect not, after reading all the posts in this thread. I know there was a corrected Bonds as he was one of the cards I was pulling on that break. It was a cheap basically garbage set when I bought my cases. I pulled the stars and rookies, like Bonds, all the Twins and Tigers because the Twins sets were sold to Shinders (a local magazine/baseball card shop chain in Mpls.) and I had a couple buyers who always wanted my Tigers team sets. But what made the break work was that I was also helping Larry Grossman (Hygrade) by putting together 25-card packs of stars (minor non-premium guys like Winfield, Molitor, Fisk, and so on.) I basically got 2 cents each on all those. Plus Larry was taking all my commons at about half a cent per card. Add to that, the fact it was a simple break with all cards in sequence so I could do them all myself fairly quickly, and it was mildly profitable; definitely worthwhile. In the end I had exactly 600 Bonds cards (6 100-card lots.) Sorting that way, shuffling past the commons to the next pull card, I did not notice or care if the corrected Johnny Ray card was there or not. Same with any other common. Again, based on the comments here, the error Ray was probably in place of what should've been a corrected Ray. What always made me wonder, though, is why there was only one in 600 sets. And I was definitely looking for it. I could see having 39 cases with none and then one case with 15 errors, or something like that, but how did just one error card set end up in that case? As has been pointed out, one would think the error, once caught, would no longer be made. One other thing I remember - that was the smelliest set I ever broke, to the point where after a few hours, I actually felt a bit ill. Whether it was the smell of fresh ink or the plastic I'm not sure, but it was really an awful smell. Always made me think my cases may have been from a recent print run. |
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Interesting details, Mark, thanks. Do you remember how you first heard about the error? Was it Beckett, another dealer, a vendor, a customer, or somewhere/one else? Was it common knowledge by the time you found out about it or still very "inside baseball" within the hobby at that time?
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So, I bought a case of Opening Day about 5 years ago for $100 from an old collector, hoping that when I opened it up someday it might have the 'Bonds' error.....I always dreamed of pulling out one in every one of the 15 unopened packages. At least that's how collectors usually think.
Well, it came to a point about 3 weeks ago that I just couldn't take the 'unknown' any longer and on a Friday night, I cracked open an extra beer and opened about 6 of them. I had cards stacked all over our kitchen. I carefully opened the pack with Bonds on the back each time. Friday night was a bust.... nothing. I woke up in the middle of the night thinking about the other 8 or 9 remaining boxes and finally got up around 6 on Saturday (when I normally try to sleep into 8) and busted open the rest.....and still none. Now I know the truth and at least I've created some extra shelf space in my closet. A couple observations.... Even though I carefully opened up the wrapper on each 'Bonds' pack, every single Bonds card had at least one bent corner.....right from the factory. None would even get a '9' grade. I did end up with about 6-7 pretty nice Bo Jackson's with good centering and there's a ton of other nice HOF'ers. All the Barry Larkin's were off center or had a weird print mark. After opening the first couple boxes, I ended up just focusing on 3 of the 5 wrapped packs the rest of the way to look for the Bonds, Jackson and Larkin cards, so I still have 'bricks' of unopened cards. Kind of fun, but I was hoping for so much more! |
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It's cool you opened them all, but didn't you realize after the first one that you busted that they would all be the corrected version? They shouldn't be interspersed inside a factory sealed case. Just like with other error cards, 1989 Fleer Ripken etc. If you have the right box/case, they should all be the same since they're rolling off the factory line at the same time.
So if anyone pulls the Frank Thomas NNOF and tosses the rest of the box, they're committing a major infraction. There are like 15 cards that were affected by the missing black and all of those cards sell for at least $100 raw.
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I remember 1989 with the Upper deck Murphy Error and riken FF error being on absolute fire. The next year 1990, and you cant convince me otherwise, Donruss and fleer intentionally made as many errors as possible to boost their wax sales. 1 remember donruss had The nolan Ryan errors, every all star card had at least 1 error, Juan Gonzalez reverse neg (ala Murphy) they had line throughs etc. it was nuts. Score had the bill spiers error of his birth year being 66 instead of 1966, the sandberg error, fleer had a bunch most notability the ripken 332 error, Upper deck had the Big rookie that year Ben Mcdonald. Cant convince me that they werent intentional.
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new to the forum, just wanted to confirm - this bonds error card is only found in opening day sets? don't want to waste some $ on a wax box assuming that's true. thanks!
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It's a Donruss Opening Day card; both the Error and Corrected versions can only be found in the boxed set.
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If anybody cracks more of these sets and does find an error, I really hope they will check to see if the regular Bonds and/or Ray are in that set too. That would solve the mystery.
After all the discussions, I'll bet it was actually a Johnny Ray error card with the wrong name. It would be great to get that confirmed one way or the other. |
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My recollection in opening a case of these in the early 1990s is that the "corrected" cases had both the Barry Bonds (correct picture) and Johnny Ray card-
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I read a couple of brief mentions about the card from the early 90s and it stated that it was an 'early correction' and very rare. Print numbers must have been low on this one, but what is considered a low number?
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