Rocky Colavito: Stick it up their ***

[rats60]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

You should compare Luis's record with Drysdale and Hunter.

Hunter 5 rings
Drysdale 3 rings
Tiant 0 rings

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by rats60

Hunter 5 rings
Drysdale 3 rings
Tiant 0 rings

Judging an individual by team championships is like judging a golfer only by the Ryder Cup

[rats60]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

Judging an individual by team championships is like judging a golfer only by the Ryder Cup

Golf is an individual sport. Baseball is a team sport. Championships are important. Hunter would have no shot at the HOF without 5 championships in 7 years.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by rats60

Golf is an individual sport. Baseball is a team sport. Championships are important. Hunter would have no shot at the HOF without 5 championships in 7 years.

championships are 0% relevant when discussing the production of a player. It takes some serious levels of sports ignorance to say otherwise.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

championships are 0% relevant when discussing the production of a player. It takes some serious levels of sports ignorance to say otherwise.

I'm not sure that's true in basketball where you have five men on the floor at once and all sorts of complex interactive things are going on and a lot of things great players do don't show up in the box score. Baseball, where it's a succession of mano a manos and nearly everything can be measured, for sure.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I'm not sure that's true in basketball where you have five men on the floor at once and all sorts of complex interactive things are going on and a lot of things great players do don't show up in the box score. Baseball, where it's a succession of mano a manos and nearly everything can be measured, for sure.

IDK man, Jordan needed Pippen to win,(and a better supporting cast) Barkley had great playoff numbers and never got one because he either didn't have the supporting cast or was unlucky enough to play that amazing Bulls team.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

IDK man, Jordan needed Pippen to win,(and a better supporting cast) Barkley had great playoff numbers and never got one because he either didn't have the supporting cast or was unlucky enough to play that amazing Bulls team.

Right I did not mean to imply in basketball even the greatest players can do it alone. My only point and maybe I didn't make it well was that perhaps much more than in baseball great players do things in the flow of a game that may not be readily quantified. So, for example, we can't just look at Russell and say well his stats aren't that great so he must not have been that good.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by rats60

Hunter 5 rings
Drysdale 3 rings
Tiant 0 rings

Remember also that in the '60s and '70s there was no ESPN or MLB Network. The only baseball on television was the local team and the Saturday game of the week. It wasn't unusual to only see a pitcher once or twice a year. But in October everything was televised, and every result was magnified. I think that Hunter got a lot of credit not only because he was on a winning team, but also because he pitched very well in the postseason (mostly with Oakland), when we were all watching.

These games were often the only time people would see him pitch, and this made a very favorable impression. Tiant only got into the playoffs the one time, and that was well past his prime, so he didn't get this "October bump" the way Hunter did.

That may not be fair, but that's the way it worked.

[howard38]

Originally Posted by Sean

Remember also that in the '60s and '70s there was no ESPN or MLB Network. The only baseball on television was the local team and the Saturday game of the week. It wasn't unusual to only see a pitcher once or twice a year. But in October everything was televised, and every result was magnified. I think that Hunter got a lot of credit not only because he was on a winning team, but also because he pitched very well in the postseason (mostly with Oakland), when we were all watching.

These games were often the only time people would see him pitch, and this made a very favorable impression. Tiant only got into the playoffs the one time, and that was well past his prime, so he didn't get this "October bump" the way Hunter did.

That may not be fair, but that's the way it worked.

That's a good point. Had Tiant won game six he certainly would have been the series MVP and may well have a plaque in Cooperstown today. Instead his two complete game victories (and another in the AL championship series) are basically forgotten.