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Are you purposely avoiding the stats-driven arguments? I feel you don't really believe the argument you proposed and were just bored.
If you need a white guy that got in with a short career not to any fault of their own, and therefor doesn't have the career stats to support it, look at Addie Joss. HOF voters judge by the talent of the player not the longevity driven stats that you used for your initial argument. His historical place in history due to breaking the color barrier adds to his impact on the game and society, but his stats, alone, were enough to put him in the HOF. His statistical case for being in has been shown many times in this thread and ignored by you, while you peruse the thread to find anything about race to attack. If you want to leave the argument to stats, than rebuttal the stats that are being shown and play by your own rules. Let's play it your way from the original post, why are any of these guys in they don't meet your statistical "magic numbers" for HITS, HR, and RBI: Name H*▾ HR RBI Joe Morgan*HOF 2517 268 1133 George Davis*HOF 2665 73 1440 Roger Connor*HOF 2467 138 1323 Charlie Gehringer*HOF 2839 184 1427 Dan Brouthers*HOF 2296 106 1296 Brooks Robinson*HOF 2848 268 1357 Ozzie Smith*HOF 2460 28 793 Johnny Bench*HOF 2048 389 1376 Luke Appling*HOF 2749 45 1116 Arky Vaughan*HOF 2103 96 926 Johnny Mize*HOF 2011 359 1337 Frankie Frisch*HOF 2880 105 1244 Ron Santo*HOF 2254 342 1331 Barry Larkin*HOF 2340 198 960 Bobby Wallace*HOF 2309 34 1121 Gary Carter*HOF 2092 324 1225 Ed Delahanty*HOF 2597 101 1466 Carlton Fisk*HOF 2356 376 1330 Fred Clarke*HOF 2678 67 1015 Ryne Sandberg*HOF 2386 282 1061 Roberto Alomar*HOF 2724 210 1134 Duke Snider*HOF 2116 407 1333 Joe Cronin*HOF 2285 170 1424 Pee Wee Reese*HOF 2170 126 885 Richie Ashburn*HOF 2574 29 586 Billy Williams*HOF 2711 426 1475 Billy Hamilton*HOF 2164 40 742 Lou Boudreau*HOF 1779 68 789 Jesse Burkett*HOF 2850 75 952 Home Run Baker*HOF 1838 96 991 Jackie Robinson*HOF 1518 137 734 Zack Wheat*HOF 2884 132 1248 Yogi Berra*HOF 2150 358 1430 Mike Piazza*HOF 2127 427 1335 Joe Torre*HOF 2342 252 1185 Hank Greenberg*HOF 1628 331 1274 Joe Gordon*HOF 1530 253 975 Bill Dickey*HOF 1969 202 1209 Luis Aparicio*HOF 2677 83 791 Joe Medwick*HOF 2471 205 1383 Enos Slaughter*HOF 2383 169 1304 Billy Herman*HOF 2345 47 839 George Sisler*HOF 2812 102 1178 Max Carey*HOF 2665 70 802 Bill Terry*HOF 2193 154 1078 Willie Keeler*HOF 2932 33 810 Joe Sewell*HOF 2226 49 1054 Gabby Hartnett*HOF 1912 236 1179 Jimmy Collins*HOF 1999 65 983 Elmer Flick*HOF 1752 48 756 Joe Tinker*HOF 1690 31 785 Harry Hooper*HOF 2466 75 816 Sam Rice*HOF 2987 34 1077 Bid McPhee*HOF 2258 53 1072 Mickey Cochrane*HOF 1652 119 830 Jim O'Rourke*HOF 2639 62 1208 Bobby Doerr*HOF 2042 223 1247 Kirby Puckett*HOF 2304 207 1085 Joe Kelley*HOF 2220 65 1194 Orlando Cepeda*HOF 2351 379 1365 Tony Lazzeri*HOF 1840 178 1194 Larry Doby*HOF 1515 253 970 Ralph Kiner*HOF 1451 369 1015 Nellie Fox*HOF 2663 35 790 Dave Bancroft*HOF 2004 32 591 Earl Averill*HOF 2019 238 1164 Johnny Evers*HOF 1659 12 536 Buck Ewing*HOF 1625 71 883 Jim Rice*HOF 2452 382 1451 Kiki Cuyler*HOF 2299 128 1065 Ernie Lombardi*HOF 1792 190 990 Heinie Manush*HOF 2524 110 1183 John McGraw*HOF 1309 13 462 Frank Chance*HOF 1274 20 596 Deacon White*HOF 2067 24 988 Edd Roush*HOF 2376 68 981 Sam Thompson*HOF 1988 126 1305 King Kelly*HOF 1813 69 950 Travis Jackson*HOF 1768 135 929 Chuck Klein*HOF 2076 300 1201 Hugh Duffy*HOF 2293 106 1302 Rabbit Maranville*HOF 2605 28 884 Earle Combs*HOF 1866 58 633 Red Schoendienst*HOF 2449 84 773 Hughie Jennings*HOF 1526 18 840 Roger Bresnahan*HOF 1252 26 530 Phil Rizzuto*HOF 1588 38 563 Hack Wilson*HOF 1461 244 1063 George Kell*HOF 2054 78 870 Pie Traynor*HOF 2416 58 1273 Bill Mazeroski*HOF 2016 138 853 John Ward*HOF 2107 26 869 Miller Huggins*HOF 1474 9 318 Jim Bottomley*HOF 2313 219 1422 Ross Youngs*HOF 1491 42 592 Chick Hafey*HOF 1466 164 833 Rick Ferrell*HOF 1692 28 734 Ray Schalk*HOF 1345 11 594 Freddie Lindstrom*HOF 1747 103 779 High Pockets Kelly*HOF 1778 148 1020 Lloyd Waner*HOF 2459 27 598 Billy Southworth*HOF 1296 52 561 Casey Stengel*HOF 1219 60 535 Ned Hanlon*HOF 1317 30 517 Al Lopez*HOF 1547 51 652 Tommy McCarthy*HOF 1493 44 732 Bucky Harris*HOF 1297 9 508 Wilbert Robinson*HOF 1388 18 722 Charlie Comiskey*HOF 1529 28 883 Leo Durocher*HOF 1320 24 567 Roy Campanella*HOF 1161 242 856
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