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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Aron
If you feel comfortable commenting, wondering if you think this is a real card. I included the back of the card in case someone would like to comment on it. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: fkw
Its authentic or a fake made from a picture of an authentic card. The keys I look at are the top of the bat and the right side of the red strip extending into the border slightly. Most reprints will have the border clean and sharp with straight edges to the photo area. The paper, color, and wear/stains look good too. Frank |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: jay behrens
with Goudeys, a back scan is a must. If it has a the wet sheet transfer, then the card is good. A fakle will never have this feature. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I fully agree with Jay B., you can better determine if a card is real or a |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: jay behrens
I don't like the corner wear now that I see both sides. Looks like someone took sandpaper after them. I also don't see the bleed thru, so I'd very leery of this card and get someone to examine it that knows Goudeys well or have it sent off to one of the slabbers. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
I'm guessing that the card is FAKE. Look at all the other cards this person has for sale. I couldn't imagine them taking little to nothing for them in a Yahoo auction. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: davidcycleback
The linked to Yahoo seller is neither auctioning or apperears to have auctioned a 1933 Goudey Gehrig. Is this a preview? |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Elliot
IMO, that's not even an original reprint. It's a photocopy of a real card, that after photocopying has had the corners worked on to make it appear low grade. Low grade=not worth slabbing in some people's mind, plus it hides the fact that it's a photocopy. Not to mention the typical warning signs of Yahoo auctions, etc. that other people have mentioned. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: fkw
Below is a scan of a #160, but it will show that the blead through is not obvious on all cards. Of my R319s about 1/2 show the overprint from wet sheets..... not all. The card above could be a homemade fake made from the picture (scan) of an authentic card. You would need to see it in person to be sure. On the card pictured here (below) you can just slightly see the overprint of the red strip at bottom of back. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Frank Evanov
The blue area should have square corners with white edging....not rounded like on the fake one: |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: davidcycleback
I think you people missed the point of my post. Did any of you think that perhaps the original poster is someone asking this board advice on how to make a better fake? |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Brian E.
David: |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: fkw
The card in the screwdown is not a reprint. If anything it may be a homemade fake made using a scan of an authentic card that was then printed out on an inkjet printer. They are seen on eBay often. These are the toughest auctions to be certain on. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Shannon
The card is a 100% fake. Frank E hit the nail on the head. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: fkw
The rounded corner is from the wear. There are no reprints with rounded corners to the photo. Frank W |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Shannon
How do you get rounding on the light blue corners, they are suppose to be square |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: davidcycleback
Some sound legal advice to eBay forgers: "I don't know if it's real or reprint" is only a sound legal defence to the person who doesn't know know if it's real or reprint, not the forger. If you are the maker of the reprint, meaning you know exactly what the card is, you are legally required to tell potential buyers what it is if this information is financially material. Forgers have gone to prison for not telling the buyers the identity/history of the item, even though it was true that they 'never said it was original at sale. It was the buyer's idea that it was original.' |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: fkw
The white area of the corner is where the blue was rubbed off. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Glenn
Please don't interpret this as an implication that I think the screwdown card is real (I do not), but I think what has been interpreted as rounding on the corners of the blue area is partially an optical illusion and partially due to general corner wear. If you place a straightedge along the left side of the screwdown card you'll see that there is no white showing to indicate that the upper-left corner of the blue area itself was ever rounded. If you do the same along the right side, there is some white showing in the upper-right corner, but this is more likely paper loss from advanced corner wear than a different color on the original surface of the card. I believe, as almost everyone else seems to, that the card is a counterfeit, but I don't think when it was originally printed (the card in the screwdown case I mean), there was any rounding of the blue area. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Anonymous
Thanks for the feedback every one. The card was on auction last night. I didn't bid on it because I was skeptical and it seems my skepticism was well founded. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: davidcycleback
According to the Yahoo auctions search, a 1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig was not being offered in a Yahoo auction last night. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Joann
David, |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Erick Lewin
Just look at all his other Hofer cards he has from all those sets...and they all have the same rounded corner wear. At least change some of them so that you might trick someone. He's not even good at what he does. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Aron
Here's the link to the auction from last night. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: davidcycleback
I stand corrected. The auction didn't show up my searches. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Glenn
I see that the seller wrote "this is not a scam." I find this is a very good way to tell if it's a scam or not. People who are trying to rip you off will usually tell you, "Oh, by the way, I'm a scoundrel and trying to prey upon your gullibility," whereas honest sellers, being honest, just come right out and let you know "this is not a scam." |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: Joann
heehee. My favorite part was "you will get the card pictured". Oh. OK. Thanks. |
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Gehrig '33: Real? [With Back of Card Included]
Posted By: fkw
The best (funniest) one of the auctions is the N300 with the white back (back should be black). Now that I have seen all of the cards the Yahoo seller listed, these fakes are homemade from photos of authentic cards, sometimes the toughest ones to authenticate. The only one that looks to be a reprint is the R319 Bengough. These are not well made so they stand out a bit to someone who handles these cards. A couple of the better ones are the R319 Ruth and Gehrig. |
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