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Old 09-03-2013, 08:34 PM
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Please let me know your thoughts on the authenticity of this Dizzy Dean....
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Old 09-03-2013, 08:43 PM
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Perfectly good.
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Old 09-03-2013, 08:59 PM
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James, what does the rest of the sheet look like? Are there other signatures? At first glance the dean looks ok to me but I'm far from an expert. I've seen a couple different variations of his signature.
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:01 PM
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Definitely not authentic.
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Definitely not authentic.
Do you think this is a non malicious clubhouse?
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Do you think this is a non malicious clubhouse?
No. I believe it is 100% authentic. Chris and JoeD are the ones who feel it to be "not authentic".
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:09 PM
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Do you think this is a non malicious clubhouse?
Just a sloppy forgery.

Clubhouse? Possibly.
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Definitely not authentic.
Chris,

What's your reasoning? I have been told by two highly respected authenticators that it is 100% authentic....and no Travis, it wasn't PSA and JSA.
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James, what does the rest of the sheet look like? Are there other signatures? At first glance the dean looks ok to me but I'm far from an expert. I've seen a couple different variations of his signature.
The full sheet only has the word "Cubs" on it. It is an early signature from 1938...
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I'll preface this by stating Dean is not my area of expertise, so take this for what it is worth...

Overall this signature appears to have a hesitant, tentative look. It's hard to describe, but I see "too much thinking" in it.

There is obvious wobble throughout both Ds. They were not executed smoothly and have an unusual "boxy" shape.

The "izzy" starts with a hard dot (hesitation) and the pen only sped up when he hit the "home stretch" ... the final loop of the y.

One could argue that it is an "in-hand" standing signature. Maybe that is the case, but the wobble I see here doesn't strike me as the same kind of shakiness you see with an in-hand signature.

I cannot state with certainty, but I think there is a valid case for reasonable doubt.
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