Tuxedo Pipe cards on Ebay

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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

Does anyone on this board know anything about this issue?

There's a listing for a Ed Walsh, buyer also claims to have Lajoie, Jennings, Mathewson, McGraw, and Zimmerman. A scan of each of the cards is provided.

Ebay item #87018171777

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Posted By: MW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8701817177&indexURL=1&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

They look like homemade cards. Likely cut from an advertising piece and/or color laser copied from an original and pasted onto cardboard.

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

Those are fakes. Made from a tuxedo tobacco advertisement from a magazine. Tuxedo never put out any baseball cards.

edited spelling.

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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

I emailed the seller and she states that she believes these cards are worth thousands ("the high thousands"). She now regrets putting one of them up for sale on Ebay because she doesn't want to break the "set" up.

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Posted By: barrysloate

She's free to believe whatever she wants. That makes them neither baseball cards nor valuable. They are just cutouts.

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Posted By: Jay Miller

I have emailed the seller asking about the cards and she volunteered that she now believes that they are not original. She seems honest and I believe she was just taken when she purchased these.

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Posted By: BlackSoxFan

Seller and i have communicated several times, she's definitely honest and wants to make sure that a) she knows what she has and b) gets a fair value .... she has clearly put forth some effort to try and obtain facts and personally i think she did a pretty decent job.

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

She has emailed me as well, and given me her phone number to discuss them. She's probably gotten a ton of emails about these items. I feel bad for her because she probably has been sitting on these for the last twelve years believing these were something special.

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Posted By: BlackSoxFan

Just got off the phone with Tammy... very nice person.... very honorable and was really quite a pleasure. She is going to (and has already started) to rework the auction description. It would appear based on the information she provided me and that she herself discovered that these are either authentic pieces that were ... for whatever reason...cut from a larger advertising piece ... or these are ORIGINALs that have been glued onto cardboard stock... i am emailing here this thread...and she would be delighted if anyone who actually knew what they were talking about (ie..NOT ME LOL) would chime in with some more information. I think i have seen Tuxedo Pipe adds from as early as 1910 and as late as 1925 and that's what i told her....but i also advised that i wasn't sure about the dates!

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Posted By: jay behrens

I remember in the 80s there were a few dealers trying to pass off Tuxedo Tobacco cards. No one thought they were original then. Kinda like t206s with Hustler backs.

Jay

My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: BlackSoxFan

Maybe i miss spoke, but what i meant was that they were from original adds but stuck on modern cardboard.....

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Posted By: jay behrens

that is pretty much what those cards in the 80s I saw were, cuts put on backing. The only people they were going to fool were the greedy and uneducated.

Jay

My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

That's the beauty of this board.

We have probably saved Tammy a large headache, as well as an unwary buyer a dispute.

Thanks to all who have chimed in.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Last summer up in Cooperstown, I personally saw these cards.
At 1st glance they looked quite authentic, mainly due to their
backs being precisely consistent. Upon closer observation it
became apparent that these were very meticulously fabricated
from a Tuxedo magazine (or newspaper) advertisement.

The key to the date of this advertisement is the Heine Zim-
merman card. His description tells us he was the...."Batting
leader last year". Heine led his league with a .372 BA in 1912.

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Posted By: jimS

I own a copy of this ad. It has all six players as shown on the cards. They are definitely cut from this ad. The copy and the signatures are also exactly the same.

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Posted By: BlackSoxFan

Hey jim could you scan it and email it to me...i'd love to pass it on to the seller... btw ... what are these cards worth?

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Posted By: Anonymous

Sorry, It is framed and under glass. I tried to scan it but it just won't scan. It is a 10 by 15 ad with three pictures running down each side of the ad. I bought the ad on eBay a couple of years ago for about thirty dollars.

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

I found a full page Tuxedo ad on the back cover of a 1915 issue of Leslie's that features Ty Cobb. If anyone has seen a Leslie's magazine from the time period it was a huge magazine and often had some very good baseball content. I have about 30-40 different issues that have baseball content, including a 1915 issue that features a photo of Babe Ruth.

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Posted By: Bob Lemke

with THESE collector-created Tuxedo cards. Walter Johnson and John J. McGraw also done.

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Posted By: identify7

That's one heck of a card, Bob.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

is it because you didn't pay him to use his image?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

If you recall I had seen these cards first hand at the
Cooperstown Show this past summer. I contacted the guy
who still has the 6 Tuxedo cards (remember these are a
2nd lot of the same six cards that were on Ebay).

He found them a few years ago at an antique shop near
his upstate New York hime. In addition, with these BB
cards, came a lot of Tuxedo movie star cards. There is
an amazing coincidence here since the above Seller on
Ebay, Tammy, lives within 40 miles of this guy.

All of a sudden these mysterious cards come out of the
woodwork in an isolated area in upstate NY. This I find
very strange. If, indeed, they are the real thing; where
have these cards been since 1913 ?

With some more detective work, I found out that there
is a serious collector (antique buyer) in the Boston area
that is willing to pay "big bucks" for these cards. This
Boston dealer supposedly is convinced they were issued
by Tuxedo on a thick poster board as an advertising piece
back in 1913; which also featured an assortment of cele-
brities from that era.

I will continue to pursue this mystery.

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

I don't believe there is any mystery to these. These are made from the magazine ads.