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Old 09-19-2012, 08:40 PM
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Default 1925 Exhibits vs. 1926 Exhibits

Help Please, Exhibits Experts....... I believe that the above two issues are extremely difficult to differentiate based on color shade, can you tell me your opinion on the below two cards.............
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1925 I think
I believe the 1926 have white text only, no box

1926

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Too hard to tell on those Phil, best if they were scanned the same or next to one we know is black or blue (understand not always possible).

The breakdown for the 1926 is 58 do not have the white box and 70 were reused and given a blue/gray tint.

Here are some pics on 25 vs 26 -



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So how is it you can tell a '26 with a box? And how many are there?
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Jeff there are 70 of them, the only way to tell is by the tint, 1925 are black and the 1926 have a blue/gray tint as the examples above show.

Here is the player list of 70 players that have a white box both years-

Sparky Adams
John Bassler
Lester Bell
Carson Bigbee
Max Bishop
Raymond Blates
Oswald Bluege
James Bottomly
Raymond Bressler
Max Carey
Tyrus Cobb
Eddie Collins
Stanley Coveleski
Hugh M. Critz
Hazen Cuyler
George Dauss
Peter Donohue
Charles Dressen
James J. Dykes
Bib Falk
Ira Flagstead
Howard Freigau
Henry L. Gehrig
Walter Gerber
Leon Goslin
George Grantham
Charles Grimm
Stanley Harris
Leo Hartnett
Harry Heilmann
Rogers Hornsby
William Jacobson
Walter Johnson
Joseph Judge
Willie Kamm
Ray Kremer
Walter Lutzke
Martin McManus
Earl McNeely
Edmund Miller
Clarence Mueller
Robert W. Muesel
Glenn Myatt
Frank O'Rourke
Ralph Perkins
Eppa Rixey
Edwin Rommel
Ed. Roush
Harold Ruel
Charles Ruffing
Geo. H. Ruth
Joseph Sewell
Ray Shalk
J. R. Shawkey
Earl Sheely
William Sherdell
Urban J. Shocker
George Sissler
Earl Smith
Sherrod Smith
Tristram Speaker
Homer Summa
Hollis Thurston
Philip Todt
George Torporcer
Harold Traynor
Kenneth Williams
Ernest Wingard
Ivy Wingo
Glen Wright
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Scott,
Thanks. I need to check mine. I have always assumed there were two different tints of '25s. Looks like some may be '26s. I appreciate the help. So is it only the "new" players added in '26 that are "no box?"
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Well its a total of 58 with a break out of 37 New Players plus 21 players from the 1925 set that had the box removed (Two of these had name misspellings corrected too).


37 New Players in 1926

John M. Bentley
George Bischoff
J. Fred Blake
Ted Blankenship
Lucerne A. Blue
Geo. H. Burns
John Butler
Patrick T. Collins
Earl B. Combs
James E. Cooney
Edward S. Farrell
Bernard Friberg
Joseph Galloway
Charles Gehringer
Fred Haney
Wm. Hargrave
Joseph Hauser
C. E. Heathcote
Ramon Herrera
Andrew A. High
Clarence Huber
Wm. Hunnefield
Anthony Lazzeri
Frederick Lindstrom
Hugh A. McQuillan
Douglas McWeeny
Oscar Melillo
Joseph W. Munson
Bernie F. Neis
Robert O'Farrell
James J. Ring
Fred Spurgeon
Edward Taylor
J. Taylor
John Warner
Fred Wingfield
Russell Wrightstone

21 players from both sets with No Box on 1926
David Bancroft
Lawrence Benton
Maurice Burrus
Wilson Fewster
Frank Frisch
Jacques F. Furnier
Joseph Genewich
Burleigh A. Grimes
George Harper
Walter Henline
John Makan
Walter Marranville
Emil Musel
George O'Neil
Walter C. Pipp
Emory Rigney
John Sand
Frank Snyder
Wm. Wambsganns
Zach Wheat
William Terry
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Thanks for the input thus far, Scott & Jeff. Doing a quick scan on e-bay, it seems to me at least that more of the 1925's than not appear to be 1926's even many graded by PSA. Would you agree?
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Can't go by scans; gotta have them in hand and side by side. Scanning just has too many variables.
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As Adam said really hard to judge the ones on ebay because everyone has different scanner settings, I have bought a number of them thinking they were black only to be 1926 blues. Some of them are just plain tough to tell apart vs others very easy, the Ruth is easy but other like the Culyer is real hard. Having them in hand is the only real way to tell for sure.

As I said in another thread the grading companies got lots of them wrong, esp PSA, heck I just think they slab any with a box as 1925. I know SGC is trying hard to be correct as they had called me twice recently when grading Gehrigs to make sure they got them right.
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That's a good point, Scott. Many are obvious but some are not and unfortunately for me, the Cuyler that I am questioning is one of the most difficult to tell. Here are 5 of mine, 2 that I am quite certain are 1925's and 2 that have to be 1926's as they were not produced in 1925 along with the Cuyler in question.
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Phil can you scan them at the same time, put the culyer in the middle with a 1925 on one side and a 26 on the other. I will post an example where the left is a 26 Bancroft, the right is a 25 Bancroft and as you can see the Cobb in the middle is a 1926-


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Scott:

Good idea, I don't have the cards handy as I keep them in safe deposit boxes. Next time I can get to them, I'll try that. Of course, this idea assumes that the 1925(s) has/have been identified correctly as I know that the 1926's must be correct.

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Phil just use your Terry as its a 1925 (in 1926 it was issued without the box) and your Gehringer as the 1926 as we are for sure what year each was printed.
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Will do, thanks, Scott. I will also look at them myself side-by-side in person and hopefully, I'll be able to tell the difference.

Is the tint on the Gehringer one of the easier ones to differentiate (more bluish) or is it one of the tougher ones (more grayish)? I know that it has to be a 1926, just want to know for comparison purposes to the Cuyler.

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Not sure Phil, I will check mine tonight as I have those two also.
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Thanks, Scott, do you have a Cuyler (either 1925 or 1926) that you can post for comparison?
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I use a 1926 boxing exhibit to compare. Same shading issues and they have copyright dates on their backs, so there are no mistakes on them.
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Here I combined scans of both but when I get time I will make a fresh scan of them at the same time (this is two separate scans taken about 2 years apart and cut and pasted together)

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Scott:

I just sent you an e-mail. Thank you very much for all of your help!

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Off topic but as the years roll by. I am utterly amazed as to why the higher end 1920's Exhibits of HOF'ers don't command higher prices, much higher. Logically, look at supply and demand. The supply side is way, way, teeny tiny low. So its gotta be the demand??? Is demand for these beauties really that low? Hmmm.
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