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Old 11-30-2017, 05:15 PM
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Default are they real- Jennings, Cooper, Nichols

Most of us have a few items we question in our collection. I'd like your opinion on these.
Collins- not mine but looks decent to me but rejected by PSA
Nichols- had for awhile, skeptical but hope you folks like it rejected JSA
Bancroft- had for awhile, skeptical but hope you folks like it rejected PSA
Jennings- bough 15 years ago from long time collector Ernie Stautmeyer- skeptical- if you guys do not like it will probably just sell as a T206 w/o signature
Cooper- this was purchased from Negro League expert WAyne Stivers many years ago and to me matches the one in Keatings book. Rejected recently by PSA
Hanlon is from Jim Stinson who got it from Bill Zekus collection before Hanlon made HOF. Jim swears by it and claims it is a variant Hanlon sometimes used. I just spoke to him about it when he was ij the states for a few days
Open to selling the Cooper and Hanlon (have Stivers COA for Cooper and catalogue page of Stinson for Hanlon along with an email from Jim)
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Old 11-30-2017, 05:18 PM
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this is the one in Keatings book to compare
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Old 11-30-2017, 09:22 PM
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No

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Old 11-30-2017, 09:24 PM
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Actually the Hanlon maybe. Not a fan of anything else though.

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Old 12-01-2017, 08:12 AM
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The easy way out is to agree with PSA, but I think they're right on all of them. I'm sure Jim is more of an expert than most people involved in autographs, but I would have a hard time convincing myself that Hanlon was good either. The pen pressure looks just too heavy for something signed late in life. I have no opinion on different styles of his signature.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:20 AM
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I wouldn't buy them.

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Old 12-01-2017, 09:35 AM
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Sorry to say that I agree with PSA on these . Each of these signatures have very evident signature characteristics that are not consistent with authentic signatures of these players. I have had multiple examples of these players in my collection on different media , except for the Cooper , which I turned down many years ago from Wayne.
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Eddie Collins def no good.
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Old 12-01-2017, 10:55 AM
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I am totally on board with everyone on the Jennings, Collins, Nichols, and Bancroft. What would you do with these cards? The Bancroft is going in the trash. Jennings has value as a T206 so may sell as an unsigned. Nichols probably in trash.
I still have a hard time with the Cooper since it is such a match to the one in keatings book. What do you folks think is bad.
Jim is positive on the Hanlon as I have spoken to him many times about it. Should I sell it as a hanlon cut explaining it failed PSA but Stinson approves it???
I am just a collector but getting rid of a few items that do not fit my collecting parameters anymore. The $ is not that big a deal just if they are real I'd hate for them to be in the trash and I'd rather not give them away (Cooper and hanlon)
Thanks for all the input!
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Old 12-01-2017, 11:18 AM
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Doesn't Jim offer a Lifetime guarantee? I know others have returned autographs to him that have failed TPA.

As for Cooper, I am not nearly as knowledgeable as others, but I just find it odd how close of a match it is to Kevin's example, coupled with the fact of the medium, looks like unlined index card/sheet with just him on it. I doubt anyone was writing to him at home asking for an autograph given that he died young in 1941 or bringing index cards to games, especially in the Negro Leagues/Barnstorming, which was rare at that time. In fact, I don't even recall ever seeing a signal signed index card of a Rare Negro League player from their playing days. Perhaps it was taken from an autograph book?

Again, just my 2 Cents. Good Luck.
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