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Default Iconic Players from each decade (50's/60's/70's)

I was sitting at home today on a lazy, rainy Sunday looking at some of my 1970's cards (the decade I collected as a kid) when I began thinking about the players that immediately come to mind when a decade is mentioned. I don't necessarily mean the BEST players, but the ones that are immediately connected to a time period. These would be the players that even non-baseball fans would have known about during each respective decade. I am sure this will elicit a variety of answers, but I am looking forward to reading the responses. I will get the ball rolling with mine from each decade. I was born in the mid 60's, so my pre-70's choices are based upon perception and things I have read/heard.

1970's:
1. Reggie Jackson - love or hate him, Reggie was the 70's (member of 5 World Series winners, the Bronx Zoo, sunglasses, mustache, Reggie Bar)
2. Tom Seaver
3. Nolan Ryan
4. Johnny Bench
5. Pete Rose
6. Mike Schmidt

1960's (It seems as if the 60's was a "national league" decade):
1. Hank Aaron
2. Roberto Clemente
3. Sandy Koufax
4. Bob Gibson


1950's:
1. Mickey Mantle
2. Willie Mays
3. Ted Williams
4. Yogi Berra
5. Duke Snider



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I would add Musial to the 50's.
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I would add Musial to the 50's.


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I think you would have to include Frank Robinson in the 1960's. Three World Series appearances and two MVP's (including a triple crown). He is always under appreciated.
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Your lists are great. Lots of great players, but to be truly iconic and representative of the decade is tough. Whitey Ford comes to mind, along with Ernie Banks. From the '70s Catfish Hunter comes to mind, but again, your original list looks pretty good.
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I would associate Mike Schmidt with the 80s.
1x World Champion
1x World Series MVP
2x NL Champion
3x NL MVP

all from 1980-89. During the 70s only 4 of 12 AS games, 3 of 8 HR titles and 4 of 10 gold gloves.
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I would associate Mike Schmidt with the 80s.

1x World Champion

1x World Series MVP

2x NL Champion

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all from 1980-89. During the 70s only 4 of 12 AS games, 3 of 8 HR titles and 4 of 10 gold gloves.


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For the 50s, I'd add Jackie Robinson, as well as Aaron. I'd also add Mays and Mantle to the 60s.

Carew is a very iconic 70s player, in my opinion, and Carlton moreseo than Seaver.
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70s Carlton, Palmer, Morgan.

50s Spahn

60s Killebrew
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Banks won a couple of MVP in the 50s. I think he deserves a spot.
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70s Carlton, Palmer, Morgan.

50s Spahn

60s Killebrew
Peter, you have no idea how many times I'm going to post something, only to find you've stolen my thunder as I scroll down.

Warren Spahn won a whopping 202 games in the 50s. How good is that? Consider the best win total by decade in the modern era (post 1919).

1920-1929:
Burleigh Grimes 190 wins
Eppa Rixley 166 wins

1930-1939:
Lefty Grove 199 wins
Carl Hubbell 188 wins

1940-1949:
Hal Newhouser 170 wins
Bob Feller 137 wins

1950-1959:
Warren Spahn 202 wins
Robin Roberts 199 wins

1960-1969:
Juan Marichal 191 wins
Bob Gibson 164 wins

1970-1979:
Jim Palmer 186 wins
Gaylord Perry 184 wins

1980-1989:
Jack Morris 162 wins
Dave Stieb 140 wins

1990-1999:
Greg Maddux 176 wins
Tom Glavine 164 wins

2000-2009:
Andy Pettitte 148 wins
Randy Johnson 143 wins

2010-2016:
Clayton Kershaw 104 wins
Max Scherzer 99 wins

While a couple other pitchers came close, Warren Spahn is the only pitcher in the modern era to average 20 wins a season for a full decade.

He had eight 20 win seasons, leading the league in wins six times in the 50s. Spahny is one of the most under-appreciated pitchers in the history of the game, if you ask me. He pitched twenty-one seasons, and won 20 or more in thirteen of them. And he threw a whopping 382 complete games.

And don't forget about Hank and Warren's teammate, Eddie Mathews. He was a stud in the 50s, as well. The guy hit 299 home runs in the decade even though he didn't play in 1950 or 1951. Only Duke Snider (326) and Gil Hodges (299) hit more in the decade, and they both played in all ten seasons.

Ted Williams and Joe Dimaggio would be the first two guys I think of for the 1940s.
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For the 50s, I'd add Jackie Robinson, as well as Aaron. I'd also add Mays and Mantle to the 60s.

Carew is a very iconic 70s player, in my opinion, and Carlton moreseo than Seaver.
Seaver is better than Carlton by any measure. Philly bias!!
Agree on Carew, something like 7 batting titles is nothing to sneer at even if the statisticians don't like his lack of power and low walks.

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Biased on the first one by my Angeleno roots, but Steve Garvey, Pete Rose, and Reggie seemed like the 3 icons of the 70s to me. Anyone else voting for Garv6?

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Love Garvey, and he was one of the games best clutch hitters. Super nice guy as well. I will always associate him with Dodger Blue!
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Love Garvey, and he was one of the games best clutch hitters. Super nice guy as well. I will always associate him with Dodger Blue!
Between getting a reputation as a jackass and sabrmetrics not liking his numbers so much, his stock has really dropped since his peak playing days.
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1960's = Jim Brown
1970's = Muhammad Ali
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1960's = Jim Brown
1970's = Muhammad Ali
Ali dominated the 60s too.
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I don't care personally, but it is funny that the conversations that ultimately include Garvey as a fringe in most people's minds (HOF, this topic, best of ___), almost always turn into a minor bash session on him.

I have collected his stuff for pretty much my whole collecting career but have only met him once. He definitely gets downplayed now, but he was big in the 70s and was often referred to as a shoo in for the HOF. I guess for the sake of my wallet, I am glad he never did make the HOF. Imagine the rash of crap that would be made to commemorate that event, as is the case with every inductee now! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I would give a nod to Garvey for the 70s for sure.

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I don't care personally, but it is funny that the conversations that ultimately include Garvey as a fringe in most people's minds (HOF, this topic, best of ___), almost always turn into a minor bash session on him.

I have collected his stuff for pretty much my whole collecting career but have only met him once. He definitely gets downplayed now, but he was big in the 70s and was often referred to as a shoo in for the HOF. I guess for the sake of my wallet, I am glad he never did make the HOF. Imagine the rash of crap that would be made to commemorate that event, as is the case with every inductee now! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I would give a nod to Garvey for the 70s for sure.
Not bashing on him, just stating factually what happened. His personal life turned into a very well-publicized disaster. And he does not fare well by the sabrmetrics. He ranks 50TH at first base in JAWS for example -- kinda shocking given what seem to be some very good numbers.

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Between getting a reputation as a jackass and sabrmetrics not liking his numbers so much, his stock has really dropped since his peak playing days.
I can't speak for others experiences with him, but my personal experiences with Garvey were always very good.

Garvey was a very good player. Most teams would have loved to have had him playing for them. His OBP is skewed by his early and later years stats. During his peak with LA his OBP was only less than .341 once, and that was in '77 at .335. This covered a 7 year span. I would have loved to have had him on KC! The guy played almost every game, was good for almost 200 hits, 20+ home runs, 100 RBI's, and .300.

He raised his game in the post season hitting .338.

Sure he may not be HoF, but he was one of the best, if not the best, all around first base men in the game during the 70's.
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Spahn had a great sense of humor too. Once Mays crushed a monster home run off him, in his rookie year I think, and reporters asked Spahn what had happened. He deadpanned, for the first 60 feet it was a great pitch.
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I don't think anybody here disagrees with the assertion that Garvey was a good, consistent player. We're talking Hall of Fame here.

As for his OBP being skewed by his early and late years, couldn't you really say that about any player? I mean, Robin Yount was a career .285 hitter. Between 1978 and 1989, twelve years, he hit a combined .301. We talked about Clemente's lifetime .359 OBP as being a bit low. Well, eliminate his first five years, leaving his last thirteen years, and his career OBP is .375.

Garvey's OBP, even during his prime years of 1974 to 1981 (only eight seasons), was still only .346. He was a .309 hitter during that span, but only walked, on average, 36 times a year. He averaged only 26 walks a season for his career, or 33 per 162 games played.

It's not a knock on Garvey. New metrics have changed the perceptions of some players. Garvey, unfortunately for his fans, might be one where his stature is diminished slightly. The guy only missed 8 games between 1974 and 1982. And he was very productive in his prime. I'll take consistency and reliability on my team any time.

Garvey is one of those guys I consider a .300 hitter, even though his lifetime is only .294. Mantle is another (and it killed him that he finished below .300 for his career). A few really down seasons at the end of a career doesn't sour an otherwise brilliant career. But for those players who really remained truly great hitters at an advanced age, like Clemente, it should only add to their reputation.

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Garvey was a very good player. Most teams would have loved to have had him playing for them. His OBP is skewed by his early and later years stats. During his peak with LA his OBP was only less than .341 once, and that was in '77 at .335. This covered a 7 year span. I would have loved to have had him on KC! The guy played almost every game, was good for almost 200 hits, 20+ home runs, 100 RBI's, and .300.
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Biased on the first one by my Angeleno roots, but Steve Garvey, Pete Rose, and Reggie seemed like the 3 icons of the 70s to me. Anyone else voting for Garv6?

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In the Midwest to us Cardinal fans, Garvey was a swear word, as he stole the 74 MVP from it's rightful owner, Lou Brock.

But he was an iconic 70's star.
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Evaluation of Garvey retroactively sells him short vs who he was in the 70s. If you went back in time to the late 70s, he and Reggie ruled baseball, along with Carew, Rose, Reggie, Bench, Morgan, Seaver, Parker, Foster, Rice, Lynn, and a few others we practically ignore today.

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But can we all agree on Ruth for the 1920s? :-)

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