M101-5/M101-4 article: call for information-- LAST appeal for info

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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

Hello all! Todd Schultz and I are currently hard at work on a detailed article for Old Cardboard on these great sets. This board has been a great resource for hobby research projects, and we’re hoping you’ll all want to contribute to this one.

We are not doing a full-scale population survey, but we are trying to puzzle out a number of M101-style obscurities and anomalies, and it would really help if you could report any holdings in the cards listed below.

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1.
Do you have any of the following name/number combinations? If so, please let us know, and also tell us what backs your examples have.

M101-5
#12 Beals Becker
#12 Lute Boone
#23 Forrest Cady
#23 Mordecai Brown
#59 Ray Fisher
#68 Geo. Gibson
#97 John Lavan or Lavin
#185 Clarence Walker (what team is listed?)
#186 Bobby Wallace
#186 Zack Wheat

M101-4
#8 H. D. Baird (what position is listed?)
#68 Geo. Gibson
#77 Roy Hartzell
#168 Oscar Stanage (only the waist-length portrait pose, not the catching pose)
#183 Clarence Walker (what team is listed?)
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2.
Can you give us a list of the numbers and names of all your cards with the following backs?

Famous and Barr
Standard Biscuit
Burgess-Nash
Altoona Tribune
Gimbel’s
Ware’s
Successful Farming
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Thanks so much to everyone for looking!

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Posted By: Paul

I have #186 Bobby Wallace. It has a Standard Biscuit back. I have about 20 M101-4/5 cards total. The Wallace is my only Standard Biscuit. I have none of the other backs that you mentioned.

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Posted By: leon

I will get you my list tomorrow (probably evening) and post it here....good luck with the project....

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Posted By: Mark Marvelli

Tim,

Here is my list, just missing the big three..

111 M-101-4 blank back Leslie Mann
60 M-101-5 blank back Max Flack
43 Block and Kuhl Jake Daubert
167 Burgess-Nash George Stallings
15 Famous and Barr M-101-4 Bob Bescher
52 Famous and Barr M-101-5 Larry Doyle
14 Gimbels large block print Joe Benz
147 Gimbels Italic print Clarence Rowland
197 Globe Pep Young
5 Green Joyce Leon James
61 Herp Eddie Foster
120 Indianapolis Clyde Milan
88 Mall Theatre William James
174 Morehouse Billy Sullivan
171 Sporting News Amos Strunk
180 Standard Biscuit Jim Vaughn
27 Successful Farming George Chalmers
150 The Tribune Reb Russell
60 Ware's Art Fletcher
133 Weil Rube Oldring

Just need Holmes, Everybody's, and Gim's small block (I know, good luck)

Mark

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Posted By: Cat

I have a Standard Biscuit George Sisler #166
I used to have a Famous and Barr M101-5 Joe Jackson #86

I have scans if you need them.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Tim,

I will try to get you a list later this evening or this weekend with another post, but I have 151 cards from this set with various backs. Not many rarities (sounds redundant). I have the # 23 Brown wit a Famous and Barr back. A large number of the cards I have from this set have the Famous and Barr backs.

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Posted By: Mark L

Tim,
I really happy to see that you are undertaking this. I have a George Gibson, number 68, blank backed. I don't collect the different backs but I have a Gimbels large block Adams #1 and in Gimbels italics I have both McInnis #117 (M101-4)and Rousch #146 (both). I know you didn't ask but I also have a Strunk (M101-4) with the Indianapolis Brewing Co. back. Best of luck.
Mark

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Posted By: John S

Tim, I will let you be the judge

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Posted By: Bruce MacPherson

My only m101 card is a Wares Joe Jackson #87.

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Posted By: Scott

Hi Tim,

I have 3 M101-5 cards with Famous & Barr backs.
#67 Gus Getz
#86 Joe Jackson
#101 Duffy Lewis

I recently sold 58 others. I still have the information on them if the person who bought them doesn't respond to you.

Glad to help,
Scott.

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Posted By: Jason Duncan

I have the Becker, Cady, and Wallace all with blank backs.



Jason

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Posted By: Lyman

Tim, from your M101-5 list, I have the #12 Lute Boone. It has a Standard Biscuit back.

Others that I have are:
#43 Jean Dale (blank back)
#47 Doak (Globe back)
#48 Doak (Famous & Barr)
#71 John Graney (TSN back)
#160 Shanks (Altoona Tribune)
#161 Seaton (blank back)

Good luck with your research. I'm sure it will make a really great article.

Lyman

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Posted By: leon

If you could post the numbers on the cards you own it would help. I think that is a large part of figuring this puszzle out....thanks for the help.....

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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

I've got Jason's numbers---

Tim

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Posted By: jay behrens

These are all m101-5 Famous & Barr cards as they all came from the same original collection as evidenced by the same name being stamped on the back of the card.

Shanks
Shawkey
Shore
Shotton
Smith, James "Carlisle"
Snodgrss
Stanage
Stock
Strunk
Sullivan
Tesreau
Thorpe
Toney
Turner
Vaughn

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: Richard

I have 2 #68 George Gibson cards. One is a Sporting News Back and one is a blank back. When I bought the blank back it was listed as M101-5, but I obviously have no way of proving whether it is or isn't.

Regards,

Richard.

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

for Mark L. Do I understand that you have two Gimbels Rousch's? Could you please confirm the spelling and the position stated on these cards? thanks.

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Posted By: Mark L

Sorry if I was unclear. I have only one. As you can see, it is
ED. ROUSCH
R.F.-New York Giants
146

Mark

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Posted By: scott brockelman

not sure of the number can look and see if you need it.

Scott

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Posted By: leon

Kauff..94....blank (with Barker stamp)
Barry..11....blank
Bush..20....Block and Kuhl
O’neill..35....Block and Kuhl
Ainsmith..3....Burgess Nash
Chalmers..29....Burgess Nash
Jennings..89....Famous and Barr
Mack..105....Famous and Barr
Ames..5....Gimbels small block
Austin..7....Gimbels large block
Leonard..102....Gimbels italic print
Wilson..192....Gimbels –italics print
Sisler..164....Green Joyce
Connolly..37....Herpolsheimer
Paskert..136....Herpolsheimers
Pierce..138....Holmes to Homes
Beck..12....Indianapolis Brewing
Burns..18....Indianapolis Brewing
Gardner..65....Indianapolis Brewing
High..81....Indianapolis Brewing
Wheat..188....Everybody’s Clothing
Beck..12....Globe
Veach..179....Globe
Bancroft..10....Mall Theatre
Shanks..160....Morehouse Baking
Wagner..(?)....Sporting News # trimmed off
Daubert..44....Standard Biscuit
Hamilton..75....Standard Biscuit
Jennings..89....Standard Biscuit
Doyle..52*....Successful Farming
Chapman..30....Tribune
Snodgrass..166....Wares
Morgan..126....Weil Baking
O’neill..135....Weil Baking

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Posted By: Frank Evanov

I have this one:



Frank

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Posted By: Anonymous

67 Famous and Barrs

3 Ainsmith (Have 2)
5 Ames
8 Baird 3rd Base
10 Bancroft
13 Bender
14 Benz
16 Betzel
18 Eddie Burns
19 George Burns (AL) (2)
20 George Burns (NL)
22 Byrne (2)
23 Brown
24 Callahan
27 Chalmers
28 Chance (2)
29 Chapman
31 Cicotte
33 Eddie Collins
35 Comisky (sic)
38 Coombs
39 Costello
44 Daubert
53 Dubuc
56 Faber
60 Flack
61 Fletcher
62 Foster
63 Fournier
65 Gardner
67 Getz
75 Harmon
77 Hendrix
Yes there is a gap here
100 Leonard
102 Lobert
107 Mamaux
110 Marquard
114 McGraw
115 McInnis
116 Merkle
118 Milan (2)
122 J. Herbert Moran
127 Ed Murphy (picture of him throwing, not batting)
128 Murray
129 Myers
132 Oldring
137 Pfeffer
140 Pratt
152 Saier
153 Sallee
154 Schaefer
157 Schmidt
160 Scott
163 Shawkey (picture is actually McInnis batting)
164 Shore
165 Shotton
168 Snodgrass
170 Stanage (Throwing)
177 Tinker
179 Veach
182 Viox
183 Vitt
185 Walker (picture is actually Weilman, team is St. Louis Browns)

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Posted By: BlackSoxFan

Mark VL -
Would you mind emailing me? (see links)

Regards,

Black Sox Fan

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email me
The Black Sox Blog

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Posted By: Anonymous

Standard Biscuit-1

45 Geo. A. Davis

No Burgess-Nash

Altoona Tribune-5

41 Crawford
66 Gedeon
91 Johnson
107 Mack
179 Veach

Gimbel’s-4 (I'll worry about back variation later)

134 O'Mara
139 Pratt
155 Schang
192 J. Owen Wilson

Ware’s-2

96 Konetchy
139 Pratt

Successful Farming-1

16 Bresnahan

Let me know if you want to expand this into Sporting News, Green Joyce, Herpolsheimer's Holmes to Holmes, Indianapolis Brewing, Morehouse Baking and the Globe.

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Posted By: Anonymous

One last note:

M101-4
183 Clarence Walker (Team is the Boston Red Sox and the picture is of Walker)

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Posted By: Paul

Tim,

Will you be trying to explain why on earth Frank Chance is included in this set -- and as a Cub???? Also, I've always wondered why Bresnahan was included, and why he wasn't pulled early like Wallace. He was out of the majors before the set was issued.

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Posted By: Rhys

I sold a complete M101-4 set last year and still have all my scans if you need to see anything let me know.

Rhys Yeakley

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

We really appreciate the responses. If anyone has scans available that they don't mind sharing, please feel free to e-mail them to Tim or me.

Brian (and others), feel free to expand your descriptions to include any and all backs, and differentiation among Gimbel backs would be appreciated.

Paul, we wonder about Chance too. There is also another player who made it all the way to m101-4 without having played after 1914!

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Posted By: ErikV

Here's my list:

#52 Jean Dubuc/blank back
#57 Hap Felsch/Standard Biscuit
#59 Ray Fisher/Famous Barr
#66 Joe Gedeon/Famous Barr
#77 Claude Hendrix/blank back
#102 Dutch Leonard/blank back
#176 Jim Thorpe/Famous Barr
#188 Buck Weaver/Famous Barr

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

Here is a scan of the M101-4 Baird w/ C.F. designation (blank back)

-Rhett

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Posted By: jay behrens

Gotta show Thorpe



Jay

The richest person is not the one who has the most, but the one who needs the least.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Tim,
I'm sure I have a few more around here I can add later, but these 2 are of an old friend:

Blank Backed / Sporting News










Good luck Brian

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Hey Guys,

I have or have had:

Good Standard Biscuit
O. Miller Gimbels
Konetchy Ware's

Will have to provide #s when I get back from vacation.

Scot

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Posted By: Anonymous

I have these two. Hope it helps

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Posted By: Anonymous

Well, might as well complete the Stanage collection:

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Posted By: Dave

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Posted By: daryle

#83 Hooper Famous Barr
#8 Baker Standard Biscuit
#6 Archer Blank
#56 Felsch Blank

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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

Hi folks-- Again thanks a million to those who have reported so far. We still need to hear from more of you!

Please check my initial post for what we are looking for in particular, but you are welcome to send info on your entire M101-5/4 holdings if it is easier.

Tim

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Posted By: Matt Curry

Hello. I read your thread and wanted to see if the Lute Boone card that you had was for sale or not. I am having quite a time finding any of these. Thanks!

Matt

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Posted By: Jason

I have over 100 blank backs listed in inventory under vintage*investments including the elusive Wallace, Cady, and Becker. These are all blank backs.


Jason

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZvintage*investmentsQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?

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Posted By: ron

Hi Tim,
All mine are m101-4. #183 Clarence Walker c.f. Boston Redsox sporting news back
I have oscar robers but mine is catching sporting news back
#68 geo gibson sporting news back #77 roy hartzell sporting news back
#8 h.d Baird C.F. sporting news back
Best Regards
Ron

Famous-barrs #144 Wilbert Robinson
Gimbells- #129 Mike mowery
Tribune-154 Ray Schalk
Tribune-112 Rabbit Maranville
holmes -#57 Hap Felsch
holmes -171 stengel

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Posted By: Glen Turner

Tim:
I have #186 Zack Wheat with both Famous & Barr and Holmes to Homes Bread backs.
# 23 Mordecai Brown with Famous & Barr.
Two of my favorites I have are #4 Grover Alexander with Holmes to Homes Bread back.
# 188 Buck Weaver with blank back.

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Posted By: bill

#86 famous & barr

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Posted By: boxingcardman

M101-4 Clarence Walker #183: Boston Red Sox

Standard Biscuit: 152 Vic Saier (Cubs); 187 Ed Walsh (WS),
Famous & Barr: 33 Eddie Collins (WS)
Indy Brewing: 144 W. Robinson
Globe: 183 Walker (BoSox)

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Updated with Numbers:

W. Good Standard Biscuit #69
O. Miller Gimbels #122

Scot

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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

Thanks gang, for renewing the thread (although one of these recent posts really belongs in the BST, not here.

We are still looking especially for info on Burgess-Nash, Famous & Barr, Herpolsheimer, and Ware's backs. If you haven't reported them yet, please let us know--

Tim

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Posted By: Glen Turner

Here are lists of my Famous & Barr and Standard Biscuit.

Famous & Barr Standard Biscuit
#10 Dave Bancroft #1 Babe Adams
#23 Mordecai Brown #56 Hap Felsch
#31 Eddie Cicotte #64 Chic Gandil
#56 Urban Faber #91 Fielder Jones
#65 Larry Gardner #135 Dode Paskert
#83 Harry Hooper #150 Reb Russell
#109 Rabbit Maranville #162 Ernie Shore
#146 Ed Roush
#147 Clarence Rowland
#152 Slim Sallee
#160 Everett Scott
#169 Geo. Stallings
#171 Casey Stengel
#186 Zach Wheat
#199 Heiny Zimmerman

When I hit preview it put the lists side by side. If you have any question e-mail me.

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Posted By: Mark T

How about blank back M101-4 cards?

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Posted By: Kenny

I have the following.
M101-4 Zach Wheat Indianapolis Brewing #188
M101-4 Zach Wheat Weil Baking #188
M101-5 Zach Wheat Successful Farming #186
M101-5 Zach Wheat Famous Barr #186

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Posted By: leon

It looks like you collect Wheat with different backs. Probably the toughest back is the Everybody's.....and for some reason I have it with Zach on the front....go figure...