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Old 04-06-2018, 01:53 PM
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This was in the Conlon photo lot that I won at the Christie's auction. My question is if the back stampings show this to be a Type 1 or if I will have to have it in hand before I am able to make any sort of determination on it.

Is there a way to determine type simply by these images?





Earliest date stamp on the back is April 1927.

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Old 04-06-2018, 01:57 PM
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I am no expert but the stamp is usually a very good indication that it is a Type 1, without the stamp, you will need to have it in hand before making a call.
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I am no expert but the stamp is usually a very good indication that it is a Type 1, without the stamp, you will need to have it in hand before making a call.
Thank you Bob!!

A concern I have is that it could be a vintage 2 or vintage 3. How does one tell the difference? Is it date stamp versus image content?
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Old 04-06-2018, 02:25 PM
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Yes, based on the date of when the photo was taken and when the photo was produced. You can determine some of this based on the back as well as the content of the photo itself.

For example, you will see "The Babe Bows Out" photo all the time however, a type one is defined as being produced within 2 years of when the actual photo was taken. Several photos of this famous shot were produced afterwards and are a fraction of the price and this is based in part by the date on the reverse and the type of paper used etc. becasue we know exactly when this photo was taken. Others are more difficult of course but what Henry Yee does is amazing. The research etc. are incredible.

There is a great book out that explains a lot of what your concerns are named "A Portrait of Baseball Photography" by Fogel, Yee and Oser. I would get it

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I think I will get it. Thanks for the heads up.

I am thinking this may be a vintage 2 or 3 in that case. Earliest back stamp is 1927 but uniform style dictates photo taken between 15-20 years before that.

Conlon handwriting on the back has an encircled 1907, but I wonder if that may just be referencing when the photo was first taken? This is confusing!

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There are also Conlon images where he wrote a date that are listed at RMY as type 1 so now I am really really confused. Maybe the photo stock will tell a story?
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Baseball Magazine itself started in 1908. But not sure when the Spalding Guide/Baseball Magazine stamp dates to. It is not cataloged in Yee, Fogel, et al. There have been fakes of that stamp. Though it looks different than the one here: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=193601)

There was a Baseball Magazine Ty Cobb edition in 1912, I think.
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Baseball Magazine itself started in 1908. But not sure when the Spalding Guide/Baseball Magazine stamp dates to. It is not cataloged in Yee, Fogel, et al. There have been fakes of that stamp. Though it looks different than the one here: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=193601)

There was a Baseball Magazine Ty Cobb edition in 1912, I think.
I'm pretty sure the stamp is genuine. It is the brown/red color of the original version of the stamp (as opposed to the blue of the fakes) and the exterior frame of the stamp is different from the fakes.

That said, I.still have about 20 conflicting thoughts about what type this will end up being.

Did Conlon put this stamp on type 2's or 3's?

Is there a date range for when he used this stamp?

Other type 1 photos have newspaper date stamps that are 20 years after the photo was taken, so what is it that makes them type 1's? Is it the material used to make the photo?
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I would image that the vast majority of the Conlon photos are originals (type 1s.) I know of some famous photographers who reprinted images (Dorrill, Burke, Brace), but do not know Conlon to be one of them. So if it appears and the image is clear, it's fair to assume it's type I.
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