1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 on eBay :o

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

[luciobar1980]

Congrats! It's a beautiful card in any condition...

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

First welcome to the board. Secondly we should run some Yotes. I am selfish on the Bucks though. I am guessing you are in the Dakotas/Wisconsin/ or MN based on your name?

It is your money to spend however. It is also your collection. As stated before I do not feel that the card you paid for is the card you got in that holder. To each their own though!

[luciobar1980]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

As stated before I do not feel that the card you paid for is the card you got in that holder. To each their own though!

Can you recap what you mean by this??

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Can you recap what you mean by this??

What? You need me to say that I think the card is altered and unworthy of a grade 10?

I guess I did that already in earlier post

[luciobar1980]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

What? You need me to say that I think the card is altered and unworthy of a grade 10?

I guess I did that already in earlier post

So you, sitting there in front of a computer, looking at a two dimensional scan, can see all of that, and see it better than PSA?

That's not an insult, just reiterating the facts as you see them.

[PiratesWS1979]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

So you, sitting there in front of a computer, looking at a two dimensional scan, can see all of that, and see it better than PSA?

That's not an insult, just reiterating the facts as you see them.

He's not saying he can see better from his computer and is better than any TPG. This is the sharpest '52 Musial out there and has one noticeable concern, at least to him and I. One of the attributes of the '52 Musial is a rough cut on one or both sides. This one has razor sharp sides with no paper pull to be seen. But that's just me, I'd question an OPC Gretzky 10 w/o a rough cut.

I really hope it is unaltered because this the best Musial and well worth the 28K, congrats.

[ALR-bishop]

UfFDAH

As someone who grew up in St Louis in the 50s and got to see him play many times, and experienced the kind of person he was in that community, I congratulate you on getting such a fine example of one of his cards. I collect ungraded sets and would not know a 10 from a 9 but it sure looks like a nice card to me. .

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

So you, sitting there in front of a computer, looking at a two dimensional scan, can see all of that, and see it better than PSA?

That's not an insult, just reiterating the facts as you see them.

If it quacks like a duck... spare me the issue. I am not the only one to see it. I also can tell you from the scan that the factory cut is not on that card. I don’t need to hold it to see the obvious that it’s over graded. I don’t give 2 sh!ts if he or anyone else feels “insulted” by my opinion. He is happy with his buy and that’s all that matters. Chalk me up as a “hater” because I can’t afford that card or whatever. It’s not your fight or argument so let sleeping dogs lie.

If the owner wants anything from me he can PM me and we can chat via email or phone. I have no issues explaining anything I see and I am sure other members feel the same way. This board protects the hobby as much as it enjoys it. That’s why it’s like a family here and why so many issues are brought to light. We protect one another and if you think that’s jealousy, insults, slander, libel, or anything else then I must be....what every you say I am.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

Congrats. I am glad you bought a card that you love. I think it is Stan The Man's most beautiful issue.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

Congrats...and UFFDAH is right! As long as you're happy...that's all that matters. No doubt it's a gorgeous card...didn't mean to call you stupid...I like others here just think its ridiculous the prices some high grade examples command when the difference esthetically is not visible to the human eye...or most graders on any given day.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have no idea about this card, but quite a few big ticket 10s are 9s that were brought in at shows.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bad week for the buyer. A 25K or whatever card he bought exposed as altered, and now his name is outed. What next?

[japhi]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bad week for the buyer. A 25K or whatever card he bought exposed as altered, and now his name is outed. What next?

UFFDAH has a pretty incredible collection, all high grade and I suspect lots bought from PWCC. He posts pickups on the CU boards regularioy.

He has the means to go after PWCC. They coached him to buy this card that was scanned twice and sold twice by them in a period of 7 months, they had to know the card was altered. I hope he goes beyond just a refund, and that the instinct isn’t just to protect his investments.

My guess is folks that have large investments will lay low and work refunds, and these cards will stay in the hobby. I hope someone in the hobby pulls a William Koch and goes public to help clean up the hobby:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/billion...nterfeit-wine/

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by japhi

UFFDAH has a pretty incredible collection, all high grade and I suspect lots bought from PWCC. He posts pickups on the CU boards regularioy.

He has the means to go after PWCC. They coached him to buy this card that was scanned twice and sold twice by them in a period of 7 months, they had to know the card was altered. I hope he goes beyond just a refund, and that the instinct isn’t just to protect his investments.

My guess is folks that have large investments will lay low and work refunds, and these cards will stay in the hobby. I hope someone in the hobby pulls a William Koch and goes public to help clean up the hobby:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/billion...nterfeit-wine/

Guys like him are in a position to make a difference here. Presumably this will smash the level of trust he articulated before and he will look closely at his other purchases. As will other guys who have bought all this high end and stickered stuff over the years, at least some of which likely was bad.

[swarmee]

Yeah, Nats Turner should also be inspecting his collection. UFFDAH's response on blowout to this card being altered seemed completely devoid of emotion. The exact opposite of his thrill in purchasing the card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Yeah, Nats Turner should also be inspecting his collection. UFFDAH's response on blowout to this card being altered seemed completely devoid of emotion. The exact opposite of his thrill in purchasing the card.

I suspect there are lots of high end guys in addition to Nat that have bought very heavily out of PWCC.

[Scott L.]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Yeah, Nats Turner should also be inspecting his collection. UFFDAH's response on blowout to this card being altered seemed completely devoid of emotion. The exact opposite of his thrill in purchasing the card.

That struck me as well.

[japhi]

He is a successful guy, he is not going to lose his mind on a message board over a card. He knows he can get recourse.

The concern is his collection is full of these top grade cards, and he is a buyer at almost any price. Brent probably saw him as a mark. One thing to buy cards that were alterted, quite another to be coached into buying altered cards. How many altered Moser cards did Brent walk him into? It would be personal for me.

I feel for the guy, followed his posts in CU he seems like a solid guy that loves the hobby. I hope he shares, at some point, his thoughts on all of this. We need a heavy hitter to step up and shine some light on this.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Don't worry....maybe Moser can work up another '10' for you....in case you didn't like that one.

[Goudey77]

Wow this is awful. I have no words. UFFDAH will fortunately get his refund.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

Wow this is awful. I have no words. UFFDAH will fortunately get his refund.

Maybe CGC will slab it for him? I wonder if there's a video that explains it?

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Maybe CGC will slab it for him? I wonder if there's a video that explains it?

John you and I both know CGC would’ve caught the color touch job. Maybe they should open a card grading division. Out of respect to UFFDAH I won’t spam the CGC video here.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

Wow this is awful. I have no words. UFFDAH will fortunately get his refund.

He's lucky BO was able to out that card. Most altered cards are not going to be traceable using their methods.

[Anish]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

I guess being smarter than a coyote or deer doesn’t make you smart enough to detect a scam

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Anish

I guess being smarter than a coyote or deer doesn’t make you smart enough to detect a scam

I am sure he feels chagrined without people piling on too much. Yes no question he was too trusting of Brent, but Brent seduced a lot of people.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Anish

I guess being smarter than a coyote or deer doesn’t make you smart enough to detect a scam

Smarter than a deer without a gun anyway.