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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

There is no argument that the Red portrait Cobb was American Lithographic's "signature picture" for its white
bordered T-card sets. This picture of Cobb appears on at least 30 white bordered cards with various Tobacco
advertising backs. But, there appears to be some argument regarding the relative scarcity of its 11 toughest
T206 backs. So, let's run a survey and see what results.



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I will start this survey with 2 of my 4 red Cobb cards.

0....BROAD LEAF 460
0....DRUM
0....HINDU (red)
0....LENOX (black)
0....UZIT
1....SOVEREIGN 460
1....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
0....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
0....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
0....CYCLE 460
0....EPDG



OK, guys and gals.....how about running up the numbers.....show and/or tell us about your red Cobb(s) ?

Remember, this survey is not limited to just these 11 backs....any Red Cobb is welcome to this study.


Thanks for your time an effort responding to this survey.


TED Z

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Posted By: andy becker

when i collected red cobbs, i had:

sov 460
cb
piedmont 42

i no longer own any of these.

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piedmont 42 and tolstoi.

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American beauty 350 with frame.

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I have one Piedmont350-460 Factory 42!

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I had a lenox that I crossed from a GAI 2 holder to an SGC 2 holder. I also own one factory 42 and one carolina brights.

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i have none...but...it seems there are a lot of pied fact 42's out there...odd?

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Posted By: Brian E.

Of the T206 Cobb Red Portraits that I consider scarce backs I have

On your list:

Lenox (on ebay right now)
Carolina Brights
Piedmont F42

Not on your list:
Broadleaf 460
American Beauty
Cycle 460
EPDG

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Broadleaf 460 clearly belongs on the short list. Perhaps at or near the top.

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broadleaf, and hindu's should be at the top.

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Posted By: Brian E.

I would say that a Cobb Hindu Red or Black is more difficult to find than a Lenox or Uzit. Just my thoughts after looking for a Cobb hindu for a few years

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Posted By: barry arnold

just a good ole regular Piedmont 350 that i'll never part with,Ted. happy.gif

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Great thread Ted.

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Have a Sweet Cap 350 back, fac. 25. Frank A.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

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1st....As I've already stated, the BROAD LEAF 460 is not on the list because there is no debate that
it is absolutely the scarcest. Anyhow, I doubt that more than 2 examples would be reported here.

2nd....This survey was mainly prompted by a discussion regarding the relative scarcity of this Cobb
with DRUM, LENOX, Red HINDU and UZIT backs. I added the CAROLINA BRIGHTS, PIEDMONT 460/42
and the SOVEREIGN 460 to this survey because I feel that these 3 are also quite scarce. But, since
some have requested here, I now have added AMERICAN BEAUTY 350, CYCLE 460 and EPDG backs
to this survey.

OK, get this straight....the order that the backs are listed here has no relation to their scarcity......
that is what we are trying to determine from this survey.

Updated survey......

0....DRUM
0....HINDU (red)
2....LENOX (black)
0....UZIT
2....SOVEREIGN 460
6....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
3....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
2....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
1....CYCLE 460
1....EPDG


Good start, guys; but, we need a lot more inputs to get an accurate sampling. Where are all the Red
Cobb's that I know are out there in Net54-land ?


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Posted By: Art M.

Ted,
Here are the T206 Cobb, red, cards that I have:
American beauty 350 with frame
Carolina brights
Cycle 460
Old Mill
Piedmont 350, factory 25
Piedmont 350-460, factory 42
Polar Bear
Sovereign 350
Sovereign 460
Sweet Cap 350, factory 30
Sweet Cap 350-460, factory 30
Sweet Cap 350-460, factory 42 with overprint
Tolstoi
T213 Coupon, type 2

Good luck with the survey.
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

UPDATED survey....4/3/09....adding Art's inputs and an email from a Net54 reader.

0....DRUM
1....HINDU (red)
2....LENOX (black)
0....UZIT
3....SOVEREIGN 460
7....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
4....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
4....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
2....CYCLE 460
1....EPDG


So far, only 24 inputs......it would be nice to get 100+ responses.

This is a very popular card, how about it Net54er's, tell us of your Red Cobb (s) ?


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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Golly, Ted... you asked to hear about my red portrait Cobb. I have one, the only one I've ever had in the white border set. It isn't on you're list, because it's common I reckon... Piedmont 350-460 factory 25. Now I've told you about my red Cobb, as asked!!

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Posted By: J Hull

Mine's also not on your list, Ted.

Sweet Caporal 350-460 with overprint.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

You have a T206 Cobb (bat off shoulder) with a rare back that NONE of the Red Cobb collector's have (and will never have).

An AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 back....and, I know you are very proud of this card happy.gif

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Posted By: Bruce Babcock

I have a Sweet Cap 350, Factory 30. Not rare.

Nobody asked but my green portrait is an Old Mill Factory 25. Also not rare.

But they are two of my favorites and, although I've sold almost all of my T206s, I can't seem to part with these.

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I have one red Cobb. It has an Old Mill back.

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Wow 7 P42s. That is an impressive hoard of those toughies....

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Hi Ted,

I have a Piedmont Factory 42 and a Polar Bear.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for all your inputs, guys. Also, I have received 6 emailed inputs from Net54 readers.
I'll tally up the data and post an updated list later tonite.

For you guys who have posted your Cobb's with backs other than these 10 scarcest ones,
I appreciate your inputs and near the end of this survey these backs will also be tallied.

We are on a roll here, keep the inputs rolling in. We can't have enough Red Cobb's....can we ?


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Ted, since you are doing an overall tally as well my Red Cobb is a Piedmont 350, as I suspect many others are as well.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The most often seen backs on the Red Cobb's are......

PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25

SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30

POLAR BEAR



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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks guys and 6 inputs emailed from Net54 readers.

UPDATED survey....4/4/09

0....DRUM
1....HINDU (red)
3....LENOX (black)
0....UZIT
3....SOVEREIGN 460
9....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
4....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
7....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
3....CYCLE 460
2....EPDG


OK, we have 32 total inputs....we need a lot more data points here in order to arrive at some valid conclusions.

Check-out your Red Cobb's and tell us about them ?


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Probably no surprise but I have a Cycle 460. I have noticed that people posted about cards they once owned, are they being counted?

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HI Ted,
You can put me down for a Piedmont 350/460 25/2.

Thanks,
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Thanks for your CYCLE 460 input.....I rarely see a Red Cobb with this back.

All inputs are being tallied....even if you do not have your Red Cobb, anymore.


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Ted, I have 1 with a polar bear back for your survey

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Ted: I have a Red Cobb with Old Mill back (per my e-mail last night).
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Ted,

My Red Cobb has a Tolstoi back. Bill

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Thanks for all your inputs. The daily update will be posted as soon as I can sort out the 5 emails
that I received on this subject from Net54 readers.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

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UPDATED survey....4/5/09

Scarcest group......

0....DRUM
1....HINDU (red)
3....LENOX (black)
0....UZIT
3....SOVEREIGN 460
9....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
4....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
7....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
4....CYCLE 460
2....EPDG

Next group......

2....TOLSTOI
4....OLD MILL
2....SOVEREIGN 350
2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
2....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30
1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
2....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
6....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
7....POLAR BEAR


OK, we have 61 total inputs....we need a lot more data points here in order to arrive at some valid conclusions.

Check-out your Red Cobb's and tell us about them ?


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Put me down for a Piedmont fact 25 and a Tolstoi.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks JACK G for your input. And, there are 4 more inputs from Net54 readers.


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UPDATED survey....4/6/09

Scarcest group......

0....DRUM
1....HINDU (red)
3....LENOX (black)
0....UZIT
3....SOVEREIGN 460
9....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
4....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
7....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
4....CYCLE 460
2....EPDG

Next toughest group......

2....SOVEREIGN 350
0....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
1....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
4....TOLSTOI
4....OLD MILL

The easier ones......

2....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30
1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
2....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
6....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
4....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
7....POLAR BEAR


OK, we have 68 total inputs; but, we need a lot more data points here in order to arrive at some valid conclusions.

Guys & gals, do not be shy about telling us of your Red Cobb cards.....check-out your T206's and post them here ?


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Ted, I'll post mine tonight. Also, this survey cannot be complete until the carpet guy from Michigan chimes in after he's done rioting after basketball tonight. He's the Nelson & Bunker Hunt of red Cobbs.

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happy.gif still looking forward to seeing your Cobb's happy.gif


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Mine has a Polar Bear back.

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cycle 350
2 sweet caporal 30 NY

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Piedmont 350 factory 25

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Sweet Caporal 350 Factory # 30.

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picked up 4 red Border Cobbs today

three are 350/460 25/2
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks guys for posting your Cobb's and thanks to all the Net54 readers that've contacted me.


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UPDATED survey....4/7/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..0....DRUM
..1....HINDU (red)
..3....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..3....SOVEREIGN 460
10....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..5....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..4....CYCLE 460
..2....EPDG

Next toughest group......

..7....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
..3....SOVEREIGN 350
..0....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..5....TOLSTOI
..7....OLD MILL

The easier ones......

..2....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
10....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
10....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
..9....POLAR BEAR


OK, we have 96 total inputs.....but, we need many more data points in order to arrive at some
valid conclusions.

Guys & gals, do not be shy about telling us of your Red Cobb cards....hop onto this bandwagon
and add your Cobb to this list. Who will be the first to reach the 100th input ?



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Posted By: Scott Levy

Ted,

You are a pro at front back variations....what's the deal with 10 factory 42s -- seems way out of line with that back's perceived scarcity.

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