More from the Marshall Fogel collection

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Posted By: leon

Nice grouping....the Dimaggio isn't focused due to my editing issues.....

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Posted By: Alan

Leon - A huge thanks for posting the Hank Greenberg cards. Pardon my stupid question, but what set/company is the first (colorful) Greenberg from ? Thanks.

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Posted By: nbrazil

pardon my stupidity...but the dimaggio...year and issue?

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Posted By: jay behrens

It's from the r312 set. You gotta quit outting my secret sets. I'm not gonna get anything cheap anymore

Jay

WOW upsidedown is MOM. Mom upsidedown is what dad wants to see.

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

getting R312's cheap......especiall DiMaggio. Tough card in any decent condition. I have a friend on here (Cliftons8) who's been collecting them for years. They are tougher to find in nicer condition that the Wide and Fine pen 'R' premiums. Beautiful cards though. Guess oversize causes/d all the condition problems.

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Posted By: Josh Adams

Love the cards of the "Jewish Babe Ruth." Thanks for sharing!

Go Go White Sox
2005 World Series Champions!

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Posted By: jay behrens

Tom, you should know by now that I am the King of Krappy Kards. At least according to BcD The deep posckets can have the high grade stuff, I'll stick to the crud at the bottom of the barrel

Jay

WOW upsidedown is MOM. Mom upsidedown is what dad wants to see.

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Posted By: Glyn Parson

When i worked for Levi we stayed over at Marshall's house one night on our way out to the San Francisco show. Wow is all i can say it was like staying in the hall of fame. Not to mention the countless hours we spent in his vault looking at his great cards and his awesome bat and photo collections. It was one of the coolest things i have ever done and was truly a pleasure. Marshall is a class guy all the way and his passion for cards is unquestionable. Thanks for these great posts allowing me to relive seeing some of those great cards.

PS. Leon i hope the tharp's card i sold you on ebay arrived in a timely manner and met with your approval.(my friend George actually does the listings for me so thats why the different name)

Glyn- all is well....he arrived safely...thanks for participating on our board and yes, Marshall is most kind.....(hi Marshall)...leon

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Posted By: leon

one last bump to look at these awesome cards

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Posted By: barry arnold

They are beauts,leon;
many thanks.
seeing jumping joe here brought back when i saw him
hit the big one at an old timers game in atlanta.

best,

barry

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

That is one of the "cleanest" R312's of DiMag that I have ever seen; as I
have upgraded mine several times.

OK guys, correct me if I am wrong, but this is a 1936 issue, and therefore,
his very 1st "CARD". But, since it really is not printed on CARDBOARD, does
this R312 DiMag qualify as his true "Rookie" card ?

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Posted By: Jim Clarke

His true rookie card is the Zeenut. I think the R-312 is his first major league card from 1936. You are considered a "pro" playing for the SF Seals minor leugue team ... Right? Just like the T210 Joe Jackson card... Minor league player there as well...

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Jim C

I meant to qualify the R312 as his 1st Major League "card"; if indeed it is
cosidered a card. I totally forgot about his Zeenut (it's been so long since
I have seen one). Thanx for correcting me.

Speaking about Joe D. and his playing days with the SF Seals....do I remember
correctly....that Joe ran a 66-game hitting streak with them ? It was like a
precursor to his 56-game hitting streak in 1941. A record that I believe will
not be broken anytime soon.

However, Jimmy Rollins (Phils) today extended his hitting streak to 39 games.
Of course, it's a carry-over from last year, so if Jimmy does the "impossible"
and ties or beats Joe's record....will it be "Asteriked" ?

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

You guys are both forgetting about the 1936 World Wide Gum.

-Rhett

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

HAL....your the "Man"

But, I have a few questions....

Which came 1st......the R312 or the V355 ?

Of course the V355 is a cardboard card; and, a Gum card at that. So, by
definition it's Joe D's Major League rookie card. Also, I stand corrected,
DiMag ran a 61-game hitting streak in the PCL (not 66).

Finally, there appears to be edge-staining on the back of your card, so how
did it get such a high grade from SGC ?
I recently submitted a really sharp T206 card to SGC, and SGC gave it only
a "40" grade because (mind you), under magnification, it has a minor stain
on the back.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Beats me. I bought it after it was already graded.

I guess the card could have been a 9 ... and then got bumped down to a 7 due to the stains?


I just like the card because Joe D. looks so "DeadPan" that they even called him that on the back!

I guess he didn't start "Jolting" for a few more years.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Hal

I have never heard of a "Deadpan Joe" nickname for the "Yankee Clipper".

Those strange Canadians in Quebec must of chose this "mug shot" and gave him
this dumb "name".

T-Rex Ted

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Posted By: HandsAtNeck

Can a player's minor league card be considered his "rookie" card eventhough he has not yet been a major league rookie, simply because he was paid for his play? I do not collect rookies, so I am a bit unclear on this fine point.

Gil

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Posted By: chris bland

Most people say a pre-major league card is not a rookie card, but really its up to you and what you like to collect - there are no rules set in stone.

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Posted By: jay behrens

What do mean there aren't rules setin stone? I went to a stone carving class and spent the better part of year chisling the rules into a slab of granite. If you want to know what these rules are, just ask me

Jay

I like to sit outside, drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home, I would be arrested. So, I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

People can collect what they want, but in general a rookie card has to be of the player as a Major Leaguer. A rookie is popularly considered to be a player in the first year in the Major Leagues, and a high schooler or second year minor leaguer would not be considered a rookie. Another applicable definition is that a rookie card (rookie + card) is the first card of the player in the Majors. Some collectors say some Hall of Famers have no rookie cards, as there is no card from their rookie year. Others say that if the first Major League card comes in the player's third year in the bigs, that is his rookie card.

In the end, 'rookie card' is just a label-- but, in general, minor leaguers and college players are not called rookies. I understand that 'rookie' has two meanings that don't always meet-- rookie card and rookie player--, but 'rookie card' is supposed to be about the player being a rookie.

The hobby pick of the label 'rookie card,' instead of 'first card' or 'first edition,' was intentional. This is illustrated by many rookie card collectors will readily acknowledge that there are cards made before what they consider a player's rookie card. They will say 'rookie card' and 'first card' are different things, and they collect rookie cards. If you placed a 1984 Topps John Elway NFL card next to his 1982 TMCA Minor League baseball card and asked them to say which was his rookie card, they would likely pick the Topps card even when aware it was two years after the other card. If instead you had asked which card came first, they would pick the TMCA card.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

I should add that, if you think my definition holds water, the Baltimore News Babe Ruth would obviously not be his rookie card. Perhaps his first card, but not his rookie card.

Things are not always neat in rookie card world (many football player's first cards came in their 2nd or 3rd year in the NFL), but the one constant is that that the card has to be of the player as a Major Leaguer (NFL, AFL, NHL, NBA being their sports' major leagues).

Also note that my definition of rookie card does not involve opinion on financial value or desirability. If you think the first card made depicting the player as a minor leaguer is the best and should be worth the most, that is fine. In fact, the early mentioned 1982 TMCA Minor League John Elway books for more than his 1984 Topps NFL rookie card.

Most bending of the definition of rookie card doesn't come from collectors with sincere difference of opinion, but from sellers trying to wring the most money out of the card at sale. The classic being Ken Goldin calling the 1991 card showing Michael Jordan as a North Carolina Tar Heal 'Jordan's college rookie card.' I don't think Goldin beleived those were any sort of rookie cards, he just wanted more money.