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Old 02-01-2018, 11:34 AM
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Ruth and Jordan are both excellent arguments.

Obviously the talent pool was smaller in Ruth's time, but mechanically the game was much different then, too.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:53 PM
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Ruth was the first person that came to mind as well. We are talking about a player that hasn't been on the diamond in about 80 years and even people that don't follow baseball know the name Babe Ruth . ( will any of the others mentioned be held at this level after that many year?) I'm thinking most of us won't be around to see that outcome but would bet Ruth will still be regarded as a Legend. Not everything has to be about stats to be THE Goat!
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:41 PM
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By my definition I would not pick Ruth, because it isn't that long a way down from him to Cobb, Williams, Mays, etc.

I am surprised nobody has mentioned Phelps yet, or did I miss it.
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Old 02-03-2018, 05:57 AM
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I’m a bit surprised no one has mentioned Jim Thorpe yet. He could do it all, and overcame a lot of adversity in doing so.
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Old 02-03-2018, 12:00 PM
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So I'm defining it a bit differently: who, in your opinion, in any endeavor generally recognized as a competitive sport (e.g., no chess), had the greatest margin of dominance in that sport?
This is a very complicated thread and something only a guy like Peter would start (just playing with you, buddy.)

How do we measure dominance? Is it by focusing on statistics alone, or the number of awards, or the number of times the athlete helped his team get to the finals? There are so many different things to look at here. Also, let's not forget that certain positions get more attention in sports. For example, forwards get more love than defenders and goaltenders.

A lot of people consider Gretzky to be the GOAT of GOATS (or whatever you want to call it), but they all fail to see the big picture. Gretzky played on an amazing team and many of these guys made the NHL top 100 list, such as Messier, Kurri, Fuhr, Coffey, etc. Now here is something that rarely gets mentioned: after Gretzky was traded to the Los Angeles Kings, the Oilers won another cup WITHOUT HIM. In other words, they proved to the hockey world that they didn't need Gretzky to be great. Furthermore, many of these guys went on to win cups with other teams. For example, Messier won with the New York Rangers and Paul Coffey with Pittsburgh. Gretzky never won the cup again.

Now let's take a look at Bobby Orr. In the 10 seasons he played with Boston - his career was a very short one - he won 8 consecutive Norris Trophies as the league's best defender and 3 consecutive Hart trophies. He is the only player in his position to win the Art Ross Trophy, and he did it twice. He took his team to the finals 3 times and won twice. He would would play insane defense, often dropping to his knees and taking punishment, and he was just as effective in the attacking zone. He had two seasons where he almost scored 40 goals, and towards the end his career, despite playing in a lot of pain, almost had 50 goals - we're talking about a DEFENDER here! The list goes on and on and those who saw him play consider him to be way better than Gretzky. I would take him and Gordie Howe over scrawny Gretzky.
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Old 02-03-2018, 12:07 PM
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Let's think outside the box. How about Secretariat?
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Let's think outside the box. How about Secretariat?
Was thinking the same thing and for a G O A T single moment in sports, when Bob Beamon broke the world`s record long jump by what, 1 and a half feet ? Breaking a record by that MUCH just can`t happen, but it did. Amazing
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Let's think outside the box. How about Secretariat?
A legitimate case can be made for Man o' War. Secretariat actually lost five of his career starts (16 wins in 21 races). Man o' War lost only once in 21 career starts. He was so dominant that he was also forced to carry as much as 34 pounds more than other horses in the field. In the 1920 Stuyvesant Handicap, Man o' War went off at 1-100, which is believed to be a record for an American horse race.

In 1999, when many publications were doing greatest of the millennium polls, Man o'War often topped Secretariat, including the Associated Press and Sports Illustrated.

http://www.espn.com/sports/horse/news/story?id=247832

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In terms of pure statistics, Wilt Chamberlain would get my vote. His 100 point game, and 50 point average for a season, are just two of his many unassailable achievements.
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Was thinking the same thing and for a G O A T single moment in sports, when Bob Beamon broke the world`s record long jump by what, 1 and a half feet ? Breaking a record by that MUCH just can`t happen, but it did. Amazing
Agreed as to a single event. He was so overcome when he saw the measurement he broke down and cried. I think in swimming Ledecky also obliterated some records by unheard of margins.

BTW I have confirmed, in a decade, nobody scored a point on Karelin. He remains my first choice. Phelps second. There is an old piece in SI that makes fascinating reading for those that care about such things. Karelin was no goon. He was a gentle giant of a man, an accomplished chess player, a student of the arts.
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