David Ortiz

[bravos4evr]

not really evidence he was cheating tho... the Mitchell report names were supposed to be kept secret and so there is no test results or any data to compare to the leaked names.

If he was cheating it didn't seem to make much difference as his stats didn't drop over the last 6 years. Maybe he is on some new thing they can't detect, but he is tested a lot an hasn't failed one yet.


and like I said in my ETA , not being caught up in scandal and being a fan favorite helps.

[packs]

He did fail a test though. It wasn't just his name in a report. He failed the test administered by MLB.

Also, of dubious distinction only three other players hit more home runs later in their career than Ortiz: Rafael Palmeiro, Barry Bonds, and Sammy Sosa.

[jhs5120]

There have been hall of fame players who have cheated, used PEDs and tested positive for PEDs. It's a part of the game and isn't worth the effort to judge.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

not really evidence he was cheating tho... the Mitchell report names were supposed to be kept secret and so there is no test results or any data to compare to the leaked names.

If he was cheating it didn't seem to make much difference as his stats didn't drop over the last 6 years. Maybe he is on some new thing they can't detect, but he is tested a lot an hasn't failed one yet.


and like I said in my ETA , not being caught up in scandal and being a fan favorite helps.

ARod hasn't failed drug tests. Is he clean? It is easy to beat drug tests. Cheaters always look for ways to beat the system. We know Ortiz was caught doping and got away with it. Why wouldn't he continue to dope? Maybe his stats didn't drop because he is still taking steroids.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by rats60

ARod hasn't failed drug tests. Is he clean? It is easy to beat drug tests. Cheaters always look for ways to beat the system. We know Ortiz was caught doping and got away with it. Why wouldn't he continue to dope? Maybe his stats didn't drop because he is still taking steroids.

yes A-rod failed a test and he was part of that sting where the FBI busted that lab too. (and later admitted to using anabolic roids from 2010-2012)

Papi was one of 4 names leaked in the supposedly anonymous 2003 screening and has passed every test since then. Besides, it was supposedly andro (which was legal at the time) and not roids.... but wtvr.

If you have any evidence he is currently taking PED's please present it. If you don't, well you are just creating a narrative to back up your preconceptions. If you were publishing that it would be close to libel.

[packs]

It doesn't bother you that the only players to produce similar careers are three known cheaters?

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by packs

It doesn't bother you that the only players to produce similar careers are three known cheaters?

I think Ortiz mirrored some Mannyworld 'practices' when they were teammates.

Ortiz is fan and media favorite, but...

I have always thought that the most-chronicled baseball team outside of New York City effectively 'sold their collective souls' (and their year-in and year-out status and identity as loveable losers.) by looking the other way as Championships finally were won.

I can only hope that doesn't occur in Chicago.

That's my two cents

[chaddurbin]

ortiz failed a drug test...i'm not against him being in the hall, but bonds clemens should be in first before him because they were better baseball players who also took ped. edgar martinez should be in before him also.

lastly if this great narrative he's riding gonna get him an mvp and screw trout again i'm gonna be pissed. if trout plays in bandboxes with awesome teammates like at fenway, camden, toronto, minute maid, arlington his numbers would DWARF all these guys. as is trout's number is awesome and should still theoretically net him an easy mvp all narratives aside.

[packs]

He's not even the best player on his own team though. How could anyone seriously vote for him over Betts if you're going to give it to a Boston player?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by packs

It doesn't bother you that the only players to produce similar careers are three known cheaters?

Ortiz is a known cheater.