New ebay forgers angle , still forgeries but fly under the radar

[khw]

ok so it maybe isnt new and folks do it , but give him a "A" for effort. take some joe sewells bill terry johnny mize that are real and mix in with a boat load of tougher semi commons who died awhile back , mostly under 100.00 guys, find vintage paper and fake away. i was fishing for some stuff and came upon the satchel paige, no good but kinda close , so then i usually look at other items , most of the time just a few other bad hofers , but this guy really got into bump hadley gabby street and did up some guys that will fly under the radar , sell them for 5- 49.00 , of course been collecting for over 40 years and all items lifetime psa or jsa warranty but just beware it aint just the big guys out here , but you throw in a paige and you get exposed , will try and post link i am not real sure how to do it user id is dipandjack

http://www.ebay.com/sch/dipandjack/m...p2046732.m1684

[Runscott]

What did you think of the 'Lloyd Waner'? It looks like a penciled version of it underneath.

[khw]

yeah it is just not waners signature but i didnt notice that pencil looking stuff on there , may have did it in pencil , then went over in pen faster. good catch , may be onto something there . would make it alot easier to forge that way , then go back and erase the slow pencil guidelines, at least it is a new one on me.

[Klrdds]

Fly under the radar and sell " bad " commons for which there are no " need " for references because they are so cheap and " who would forge such a cheap autograph " and mix in a common HOFer that is legit and you can make a ton of money . Why sell a bad Mantle , Ted Williams or Joe D for a few hundred dollars and get scrutinized when you can sell 30-40 bad signatures of common guys and you have made the same or more money with less aggravation and scrutiny.
Great business model !!!!

[Duluth Eskimo]

Kirk,
It's funny you mention this cause I just ran across this guys stuff about an hour ago. How about the Satchel Paige......... It's not often you get to see some forged 5$ autos.

[khw]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Kirk,
It's funny you mention this cause I just ran across this guys stuff about an hour ago. How about the Satchel Paige......... It's not often you get to see some forged 5$ autos.

yeah i came upon the paige , then when i saw it was bad clicked on other items but look at completed listings he had walter briggs , rather tough more like a 300.00 item gabby street joe judge , alot of guys that died in the 50`s and 60`s. good stuff but not something that will get you nabbed. most of them are only maybe 2 or 3 certed ones on ebay. mix in a bunch of easy hof 3x5`s , then move up to a fake lloyd waner , and just listed connie mack , paige etc, then he gets noticed, those other guys i would all buy but i dont search for them ever. it was just a funny pattern , but even if those guys were real, running them in a auction isnt likely to bring good money, well i guess it is real good money when you do them yourself. the pencil deal pointed out is interesting

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Klrdds

Fly under the radar and sell " bad " commons for which there are no " need " for references because they are so cheap and " who would forge such a cheap autograph " and mix in a common HOFer that is legit and you can make a ton of money . Why sell a bad Mantle , Ted Williams or Joe D for a few hundred dollars and get scrutinized when you can sell 30-40 bad signatures of common guys and you have made the same or more money with less aggravation and scrutiny.
Great business model !!!!

See this all the time. They even forge $3-$5 autographed cards from guys that sign for free. I guess if you can sell a card for $5 that you normally couldn't give away that is pretty good profit.