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Old 10-15-2016, 11:21 AM
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Grouping subjects together can become complicating. There is evidence
that the layouts changed on different brands and there is even evidence that they changed within the same series and backs.

There were 107 of the factory 30 "no-prints" that were sold on ebay (that I know of) by the same seller, all of them are in
Ted's group B. Multiple examples of every subject in "group B" were sold with the exception of Lajoie, there were no sales of a lajoie example.

Now if you compare this group of Factory 30 "no prints" to one of the test print scraps
with a similar group there a few of outliers.
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Represented on the back of these scraps are:
Conroy (With Bat)
McQuillan (With Bat)
Pelty (Vertical)
Burch (Fielding)
Crawford (With Bat)
Mullin (With Bat)
Lake (St Louis-No Ball)
Willetts
Jordan (Batting)
Wagner (Bat On Right Shoulder)
Willis (Batting)
Bradley (With Bat)
Manning (Pitching)
Steinfeldt (With Bat)

All of these are 350-460 subjects and are in both Ted's group B and the group of Factory 30 "no-prints that were sold on ebay.

But also on the backs of these are:
Marquard (pitching)
Schaefer (Washington
Seymour (Portrait)

These three are 460 only subjects. The Schaefer and Seymour are on the
same card so that could be explained by the possibility of more than one
scrap sheet of these but the Marquard (460 only) is next to a Mcquillan (Bat) a 350-460 subject on the same card together.

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Old 10-17-2016, 11:05 PM
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This "find" comes from around the Wichita, Kansas area and the seller is Rock's Dugout in Wichita. I know this because I was there when he had all the cards.

Many of these never made it to the public . . . ask me how I know
Hi Matt, So i'm asking, how do you know? I need a Lajoie With Bat Factory 30 No Print.

Thanks, Ron
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Old 10-18-2016, 06:12 AM
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Hi Matt, So i'm asking, how do you know? I need a Lajoie With Bat Factory 30 No Print.
With the winking face below, I interpreted it to mean that he bought all of them.
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I spoke with Joe from Rocks Dugout, he said he Didn't have much information
on them but he did say that the person brought in over 400 T206 cards that
originated from an estate sale in NY.
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Old 09-06-2017, 01:53 PM
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There was a group of nine no prints in PSA holders that recently sold
on ebay and none of them came from this large group that was sold
on ebay in 2015-16 so it looks like at least a couple of sheets survived
from the scrap pile.

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Old 09-06-2017, 07:07 PM
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Are we sure that these cards were not part of the find? I know it was mentioned that there were over 400 cards. I have scans of the 2015-2016 listings but haven't compared them to these cards yet, to see if these were ones sold then and just now graded.
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Are we sure that these cards were not part of the find? I know it was mentioned that there were over 400 cards. I have scans of the 2015-2016 listings but haven't compared them to these cards yet, to see if these were ones sold then and just now graded.
Hi Ron,

There is information that some of them were sold off ebay so I can't say
for sure that these aren't from that group but none of them match the
ones sold on ebay and they all seem to have slightly rounder corners.

Here's the Wagner that sold recently on ebay. It has several print spots
that don't match any of the six that sold in the 2015-16 group on ebay.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:59 PM
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Interesting print spots. I remember reading an article somewhere a few years before these cards started showing up, about an old time collector/researcher that confirmed that these cards existed. I just don't remember where I read it.
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Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 Full Color "No Prints" 28/28
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Curious, I picked up this no print Wilhelm from Greg Morris about a week ago. Had to wait until I had the card in hand to confirm (I didn't want a back scan mix up). It looks like GM was selling a collection of t206s, he had 30+ listed back to back closing on Sunday and this was buried in the listings. It had quite a few watchers and I was surprised I won it. As you can see the sides are not butchered with scissors like the others found in the kwb1b find, but I'm pretty certain it's from the same collection (see next post). Or, the two finds could be related (see Pat's post #25 above). In the above post, the cards are not chopped up like kwb1b find, but I wonder if they come from the same printing date. Maybe someone grabbed a few sheets on their way out the door and they were split up over time (some sheets to a guy who knew how to cut and some to a kindergartner with dull scissors.)



Does anyone have a Wilhelm NP from the "other" find I can compare it to? I know that Ted mentioned in post 181 of his monster thread that David Hall had previously found 28 sc.460.30 no prints (Wilhelm wasn't on the list). Would love to see scans of all of those as well to see if they are connected.
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Here are 4 of the klb1b cards, and notice they all have brown and green bleeding into the border. The GM card does as well.

Also, note that they hall have that little "center" line right above the name. Most of these cards are missing these as well.

Seems to be these are from the same sheet, or at least printed around the same time. Any thoughts?
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