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Old 01-18-2019, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by T205 GB View Post
Authentic should be applied to any cards that have been treated roughly, hand cut, ect, ect, but not manipulated deliberately in anyway as to enhance the cards appeal or value.

Altered cards are cards that were deliberately altered to enhance the appeal and or value.

Did you make this definition up? Lots of old timers cut/trimmed their cards to fit in a my opinion this is an altered card...and obviously not altered to enhance the appearance/aesthetic?
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Old 01-18-2019, 12:41 PM
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I haven't sent anything in for a long time, but this is how SGC did it if you didn't go with the simple "A" slab.

This card is factory, but the top and bottom cuts are really rough.

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Old 01-18-2019, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mrvster View Post
Agree 1000%

please read the wagner restoration thread....

absolute "creation" and "frankencard" a lot of work done to it , more than bruce jenner
Don't you mean "Caitlyn"? I had to google that spelling.... sorry but I'm still a little freaked out about it.... I remember the 76 Olympics and Bruce just killing it... No, I'm not a homo-phobe.
doh, doh, doh, doh....
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Old 01-18-2019, 03:19 PM
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AUTH is applied to cards that are altered, in especially poor condition (ala piece missing or burnt) or for the rare especially obscure items where it's difficult to know how to grade them.

Someone can technically submit a perfectly fine card for an AUTH grade and I assume would get it, but this is rarely if ever done. Maybe it would be done with grade poor cards.

The exception to the above paragraph is with autographed cards, in particular autographs on cheapo cards, where all the autograph collector considers important is the authenticity of the autograph and perhaps the card. Many autographed cards are entombed without the card itself graded.

Duly note that, according to my personal grading standards, an altered card grades as poor. I'm talking about restored and trimmed cards, not trying to start a discussion/philosophical debate about how a minor errant pen mark affects numerical grade. If others disagree with that personal definition, that is fine by me. I'm not trying to enact it into hobby law, and can see the argument of AUTH being a special grade (or ungrade?) applied to 'less than poor' cards, if that's how one defines altered cards.

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