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Old 01-18-2019, 08:52 AM
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Default Reasons why prices of some vintage cards are going kinda CRAZY????

Can we have a logical discussion as to why some cards...t206 Green Cobbs, T206 WAJO/cy young portraits, TY Cobb postcards, most babe ruth cards...are going kinda insane very rapidly.

I do not believe that a few zillionaires are entering the hobby as an alternative way to "invest" their riches...I just don't believe it! Is it possible some are buying up as many copies of a given card as possible so as to try to manipulate the market...ABSOLUTELY!!!! IT's already been done with some cards.


The rise in some of these cards does make sense...like cobb postcards...they are super scarce in many cases...and are considered cobb rookies

Ruth cards...many of these instances make sense...again these cards are pretty tough...as compared to cards like T206 and 50's topps rookies...and demand is sky high.

The T206 rises...just don't make sense to me. It sure looks, smells...and feels like a mania...similar to what was happening to marijuana stocks late last year.

Let's discuss please.

I tried to make a poll...didn't work!!!!

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Old 01-18-2019, 09:08 AM
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People have probably just realized that the T206 Johnson portrait and Cy Young portraits are great looking cards. You can look high and low through any other issues of theirs you want, but it's going to be hard (in my opinion) to find a better example to show off a legendary player.

Even their secondary cards from less collected sets that bare similar images sell for strong prices. I'm thinking of the Ramly Johnson and the E-90 Young. Same is true for other players. The Speaker T206 is kind of a turd image-wise and even though the E-90 Speaker is far more scarce, I firmly believe that all things being equal the E-90 would always outsell the T206 because it just looks nicer.

Beauty matters in all things. I think the Lajoie with bat card is the next to take off. Find a better looking card of Lajoie.

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Old 01-18-2019, 09:13 AM
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Well obviously multi-factorial, including some aspect of fraud and manipulation. But I do think that people like Brett from PWCC and Goldin and others have done a great job pimping baseball cards as a great investment the past decade. I've seen people on Power Lunch on CNBC taking baseball cards and memorabilia. And no doubt for some people and some cards it has been an amazing run. When I'm investigating purchasing a high end Ruth or Gehrig card and figure I might spend $12,000 for it, I do some research and find the same card sold at REA in Spring 2017 for $950 and scream "holy sh*t." Some people, and not those hoarding Jose Canseco rookie cards, have made a lot of money on vintage sports cards. And if you are a man between the ages of 40-80 with disposable income, it's not outrageous in my view to think of rare sports cards to be (small) part of a diversified portfolio of investments. And like stocks I think people try to hunt out the next big thing to run.

I know "diversified portfolio of investments" in the same paragraph as vintage cards will chap some people's behind but so be it.

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Old 01-18-2019, 09:16 AM
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Well obviously multi-factorial, including some aspect of fraud and manipulation. But I do think that people like Brett from PWCC and Goldin and others have done a great job pimping baseball cards as a great investment the past decade. I've seen people on Power Lunch on CNBC taking baseball cards and memorabilia. And no doubt for some people and some cards it has been an amazing run. When I'm investigating purchasing a high end Ruth or Gehrig card and figure I might spend $12,000 for it, I do some research and find the same card sold at REA in Spring 2017 for $950 and scream "holy sh*t." Some people, and not those hoarding Jose Canseco rookie cards, have made a lot of money on vintage sports cards. And if you are a man between the ages of 40-80 with disposable income, it's not outrageous in my view to think of rare sports cards to be (small) part of a diversified portfolio of investments. And like stocks I think people try to hunt out the next big thing to run.

I know "diversified portfolio of investments" in the same paragraph as vintage cards will chap some people's behind but so be it.
Totally agree regarding some/many ruth/cobb postcards...in recent years some/many of these have gone up 10-20 times in value in 1-2 years.
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Old 01-18-2019, 09:25 AM
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So...here’s a great sidebar question. What do these cards look like 5 or 10 years from now?? Do they hold steady, because people have them stashed and aren’t moving them? Do they “bottom out” again to 2017 or before prices due to lack of interest? Or do they steadily increase due to less supply and continued demand??

These types of conversations are always great!

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So...here’s a great sidebar question. What do these cards look like 5 or 10 years from now?? Do they hold steady, because people have them stashed and aren’t moving them? Do they “bottom out” again to 2017 or before prices due to lack of interest? Or do they steadily increase due to less supply and continued demand??

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I don't know and no one here does. There will be doom and gloom types who will say we are on the edge of the precipice about to tumble over. But those voices have always been present. It's like asking if the DOW will be higher in 5 or 10 years. It certainly could be. Or maybe it won't. I do think there will be players who interest will steadily wane over time. But the top names have held as American icons for 100 years some of them. I don't see why their star would dull in 5-10 years.

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I don't know and no one here does. There will be doom and gloom types who will say we are on the edge of the precipice about to tumble over. But those voices have always been present. It's like asking if the DOW will be higher in 5 or 10 years. It certainly could be. Or maybe it won't. I do think there will be players who interest will steadily wane over time. But the top names have held as American icons for 100 years some of them. I don't see why their star would dull in 5-10 years.


Oh I understand no one knows, I was more thinking of the fun of speculation. In my opinion, some of these cards come back in a year or 2 and realize similar increase in pricings, and some of these cards never see the light of day again.

I have friends who have PSA 10’s of 50’s and 60’s stars that will never see the market, or at least for the next 20+ years. There is a lot more of that going on than people think.


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People have probably just realized that the T206 Johnson portrait and Cy Young portraits are great looking cards. You can look high and low through any other issues of theirs you want, but it's going to be hard (in my opinion) to find a better example to show off a legendary player.

Even their secondary cards from less collected sets that bare similar images sell for strong prices. I'm thinking of the Ramly Johnson and the E-90 Young. Same is true for other players. The Speaker T206 is kind of a turd image-wise and even though the E-90 Speaker is far more scarce, I firmly believe that all things being equal the E-90 would always outsell the T206 because it just looks nicer.

Beauty matters in all things. I think the Lajoie with bat card is the next to take off. Find a better looking card of Lajoie.
The cards have been around for 100 years. People are just realizing they are attractive? Makes no sense.
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As stated, it's a combination of factors. Demand is the number one reason, and there is no question that baseball cards and memorabilia have been a very popular collectable. Also, no question there is price manipulation and hoarding going on. Where there is money to be made, there will always be unsavory people involved.

Also third party grading has been a huge factor in escalating prices. We would never have all the so-called investors in the hobby without the slabs. In fact, the single greatest factor in price escalation, IMO, is the number printed on the label.

This has pretty much always been an overheated market, where the must-have-it-now mentality often rules. For me, it has taken much of the fun out. It's become too commodified and less of a relaxing hobby. Cards are too expensive. That's not to say they can't go higher, but I've discovered I can live happily without them.
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The cards have been around for 100 years. People are just realizing they are attractive? Makes no sense.
Maybe, as Steve said above, cards really are starting to be a legitimate part of a financial portfolio? That could explain some of the rise in prices of the best looking cards.
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