Bee Hive hockey cards.

[GeorgeBailey2]

Fyi, someone had bought it from 4SC and is trying to flip it via PWCC. It is the last day of the auction. It has to go for at least $170 for the guy to break even as he bought for $149 on ebay (thanks to J60 on VHC for that info). I don't see it happening. It will be interesting to see if it breaks $100.

$36.11.....ouch.

[irv]

Originally Posted by GeorgeBailey2

Fyi, someone had bought it from 4SC and is trying to flip it via PWCC. It is the last day of the auction. It has to go for at least $170 for the guy to break even as he bought for $149 on ebay (thanks to J60 on VHC for that info). I don't see it happening. It will be interesting to see if it breaks $100.

It is currently at $20.00 and change with only 6 hrs to go so I don't see it breaking a $100 either, unfortunately, for the seller.

I personally would like to own it but even with the current bid price, shipping, exchange rate, duty etc, it would cost me over a $100 CDN at it's current bid to get it!

On a side note, ever since I inherited my cards, it is surprising to me, considering their rarity, that these cards are not more popular than what they are? But I guess, because it's hockey we are talking about, they'll likely never be, (based on the population/popularity differences between us CDN's and the U.S.) as popular as baseball or basketball and maybe even football cards?

[brian1961]

Dale, Since Bee Hives fall into the range of a regional / food issue, sometimes collectors take an awful long time to notice and finally appreciate something like these.

For the far, far majority of collectors, their eyes are glued to Topps, O-Pee-Chee and Parkhurst.

Stupid.

However, those few collectors who enjoy and appreciate the elegant Bee Hives and their fascinating promotion will seriously wish the gum card guys stay focused on them. I only own a pair of them, and felt glad to get them, as I wanted a couple as type cards. I relish a good story and the Bee Hives deliver the goods, so to speak.

Dale, if you would, please load up a scan of your original Bee Hive ad. I'd love to have a closer look. Would you say the ad traces to the Type 1s, 2s, or 3s?

Back to PSA for a moment, if a MASTER SET REGISTRY player collector wishes to submit a Bee Hive, I for one feel it would enhance his player set handsomely. Really, PSA should grade the Type 1s and 2s; after all, being that the company issued their premiums and photos glued to a colored piece of paper, then they are as-issued and therefore legitimate to be authenticated and adjudicated with a proper numerical grade. First, however, it would be beneficial to them to have a conference call with three known Bee Hive experts to educate them on the fine points and vicissitudes of the given types. This way, the PSA graders will know how in the world to properly grade them.

Wishing you well with your Bee Hives. Please, please, load up a scan of your ad, and one of an original brown envelope the St. Lawrence Starch Company LTD used to send an eager youngster his "free prize".

---Brian Powell

[irv]

Originally Posted by brian1961

Dale, Since Bee Hives fall into the range of a regional / food issue, sometimes collectors take an awful long time to notice and finally appreciate something like these.

For the far, far majority of collectors, their eyes are glued to Topps, O-Pee-Chee and Parkhurst.

Stupid.

However, those few collectors who enjoy and appreciate the elegant Bee Hives and their fascinating promotion will seriously wish the gum card guys stay focused on them. I only own a pair of them, and felt glad to get them, as I wanted a couple as type cards. I relish a good story and the Bee Hives deliver the goods, so to speak.

Dale, if you would, please load up a scan of your original Bee Hive ad. I'd love to have a closer look. Would you say the ad traces to the Type 1s, 2s, or 3s?

Back to PSA for a moment, if a MASTER SET REGISTRY player collector wishes to submit a Bee Hive, I for one feel it would enhance his player set handsomely. Really, PSA should grade the Type 1s and 2s; after all, being that the company issued their premiums and photos glued to a colored piece of paper, then they are as-issued and therefore legitimate to be authenticated and adjudicated with a proper numerical grade. First, however, it would be beneficial to them to have a conference call with three known Bee Hive experts to educate them on the fine points and vicissitudes of the given types. This way, the PSA graders will know how in the world to properly grade them.

Wishing you well with your Bee Hives. Please, please, load up a scan of your ad, and one of an original brown envelope the St. Lawrence Starch Company LTD used to send an eager youngster his "free prize".

---Brian Powell

I agree, Brian, it is silly PSA will not grade these. Mine are still original, untouched, just the way they came back in the 30's-40's so it makes no sense to me?
Personally, I think they are great cards and a piece of Hockey History, especially considering their age and the players who adorn them.

I received/talked to a few Beehive guys, who, imo, were experts, or at least seemed to be and their sentiments were the same regarding these cards.

I have watched some E-Bay ads and it is rare that any get any bids/attention at all.
One card, which is super rare of Cy Wentworth in a Montreal CDN's sweater, fetched $8,000 years ago at an auction but there has been very little action since.

As far as the ad and types go, I'd say they lean towards series Type 1 and 2 as my Father didn't have/own any type 3 cards.

I scanned 2 envelopes showing my Father's name and his home town, which is a small town in NE Ontario where he was born and raised. Note the spelling of the last name on one of the envelopes. We still get that today, lol. I always wonder if Monty or Micheal ever got/get their last name spelled incorrectly on occasion too?

Thanks for asking and for your opinion, Brian, I appreciate it!

Dale

Edit: Noticed the date on the advertising piece as October 20, 1953, which leads me to believe these cards were issued only during certain periods and between certain years, meaning you couldn't get the previous years/series cards? The series were as follows. Group 1, 1934-1943. Group 2, 1945-1964. Group 3, 1964-1967.
I know my Father was given a majority of these cards, so the envelopes, with his name and advertising piece date makes sense as that is when he added to the collection he was given. He would have been 14. He is 77 now.

[irv]

Oops.

[Beansballcardblog]

I only learned about these a little over a year ago, when a piece on them was in the first issue of Beckett vintage collector. If you're interested, I'm more than happy to scan and post them.

I love those envelopes and advertising. Very jealous as I'd love to have something random like that.

I actually picked up a couple of Blackhawks a few months ago, since I knew a small amount of them and came across them at a show. I had them graded by Beckett just to encapsulate and protect them. Was shocked at how large the holder is.

[irv]

Originally Posted by wvu_class_of_2001

I only learned about these a little over a year ago, when a piece on them was in the first issue of Beckett vintage collector. If you're interested, I'm more than happy to scan and post them.

I love those envelopes and advertising. Very jealous as I'd love to have something random like that.

I actually picked up a couple of Blackhawks a few months ago, since I knew a small amount of them and came across them at a show. I had them graded by Beckett just to encapsulate and protect them. Was shocked at how large the holder is.

I'd love to see them, WVU, that would be great!

I am glad my Father kept those envelopes and the advertising piece. I have seen a few envelopes for sale but never the advertising piece itself. I thought there were only 5 but there are 6 in total.

I'm curious where you purchased your Beehives, was it in the State of Texas? If so, that is interesting, considering their lack of popularity and the fact they made it all the way down there.

Glad to hear Beckett grades them. I have been told Beckett is a great resource for info and prices. Guess I should join to see for myself.

Dale

EDIT: Just read some of your blog, Kin. Very interesting. I am looking forward to reading more. I see your a Andrew Shaw fan. This was 2 years ago. My son was fortunate to play a game of shinny with Andrew Shaw. He was a great guy!!